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Robbeasy: If he was town , he would have been hammered by now.
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yogsloth: What if scum were already all on the wagon? Do you assume this was not so, and why?
Because I believe he IS scum. It would therefore be more likely the fellow scum is not on his wagon.

Assuming there are only three Mafia players, bussing a fellow Mafia when there are only two left, and on the second day , no less, is an incredibly risky move.

BUT - we have no counter claim. If there is a Doc in the house I would urge them to claim. Although it paints a massive target on your back for tonight, it would mean only one Mafia left. I think the risk / reward is worth it.

unvote CSPVG

For now - as a counter claim is not currently forthcoming. Should it not happen I will have to assume his claim to be true, which means going back to square one for me and looking elsewhere..
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CSPVG: One is, as they say, crazy like a fox.
55 posts later CSPVG is AWOL. This is the only thing I don't appreciate in his play right now. Your (and potentially ours) well-being is on the line. If this is not the time to become a more involved in the game I don't know when it is.
Sage: That's a valid question, Sage. I do not, however, feel that I targeted yogsloth as much as you suggest, nor did I follow through on many of my accusations.

Much of what I said (and in particular me accusing yog of not really 'getting the day started') where attempts do draw a reactions from him, and then interpret that reaction to see if I found him to be scummy or not. At the end of the day, I felt that his good points outweighed his bad points, and believed that he may be a mafia target because he seemed to me to be your typical 'random' first night kill. That is, a player who had contributed, but who hadn't gotten into any major arguments with anyone or drawn too much attention to himself.

Rob: My ships name was addressed in my claim. I have already stated that my ship's name is Bottomsup, therefore making me (CSPVG) the pilot.

Vitek: That wise man sure sounds a lot like you. Are you two related?

As for my reads, I've been mulling over them since your question to me. I would, however, like to preface what I am about to write by saying that these are my 'soft' reads. In other words, these reads are based on my impressions and memories of the past two days, and that I have not gone back and reread the thread in order to see if these are one-hundred-percent accurate to everyone's actions in the game. You may, then, be wondering why I post them at all. The answer to this is that I acknowledge that I have not been present for much of the day, and that I find it important to contribute in some way that you would all deem at least somewhat meaningful.

So here they are:

Tends to Town

Vitek, Yogsloth, Mrkgnao, and Krypsyn - I list all of these people together because I feel that they are town for the same reasons, and repeating myself over and over again would be useless.

Vitek, Yogsloth, Mrkgnao, and Krypsyn all lean towards being town in my eyes as they have contributed a lot (whatever I may say about their long posts) to the discussion, using analyses which range from the statistical to the numerical, and even include delving into old games to ferret out what they feel may be similar reactions/ styles of play.

dedoporno - He may not have posted things that were as long and detailed as the above posters, but he has been asking good question, prodding people into discussing things (myself included), and debating rigorously with others.

Tends to Neutral

Be aware that the this list is in descending order from 'most likely to be town' to 'is more likely to be scum'.

DarkoD13 - He has contributed frequently and gotten into arguments with other players, but I can't help but feel that there's something off about his play this game. Perhaps it could just be his already mentioned 'channeling' of other players, but I can't quite pin down his motivations or really get behind many of his suspicions.

Sage103082 - Again, she has contributed quite well to the game, especially during the latter half of this day, but there have been moments when she has said things and then almost immediately backed down. This may have to do with her stated aversion to, as she put it, shoving her opinion down other people's throats, but it could also be construed as a scum stating something, being called on it, and then withdrawing their statement so as not to draw attention to themselves.

trentonlf - trenton is the player I find hardest to read this game. He has posted quite frequently, but I can't remember any of what he has said. This is mainly due to the fact that many of his posts have (at least to my mind) harped on the same things, so that they all blended together into one long post. There is also the matter of trenton being the last player to jump on both wagon before the hammer, and this with the stated intention of first 'hearing from the others'.

Tends to Scum

Robbeasy - While my busing theory my seem absurd, I can't help but feel that there's something to it, especially after Rob's comments to adalia upon voting (which he still has not properly addressed). Another thing which has bothered me (and something which none of you have raised) is Rob's relatively lax contribution to the game (which I know is ironic coming from the likes of me). Thinking back, I cannot remember a single instance of Rob discussing anything but his primary target for that day. This may of course be construed as a town-like act, but when it is done to the exclusion of all else, I feel that it becomes scummy.

Hijack - He started out well enough, adapting his style of play from last game and contributing well enough to the town's effort to hunt scum. On the second day, however, I think we have see more of the old HijacK. We've gotten bullishness, his divisive methods of hunting scum, and open role fishing (which I cannot believe we did not make a bigger fuss out of).

Since we are coming close to the end of this day (although it may still be some days off), I think I am going to say Vote: HijacK for the above stated reasons.
HijacK's gets 4,5 scum points and Rob gets 2,8 on unknown scale.
CSPVG's reasons for voting HijcaK's seem a bit off, though. He got to his last game methods (where he was town) therefore he is mafia?


@Sage; Will you also try to draw some conclusion from your overview?


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CSPVG: Rob: My ships name was addressed in my claim. I have already stated that my ship's name is Bottomsup, therefore making me (CSPVG) the pilot.
Are you sure about this?

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CSPVG: Vitek: That wise man sure sounds a lot like you. Are you two related?
Never met him, but I would love to.
I heard he is brilliant fellow.
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Vitek: Are you sure about this?
I thought I was, but then I went to check my PM. It turns out I am Bottomsup, the pilot of the CSPVG.
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CSPVG: Rob: My ships name was addressed in my claim. I have already stated that my ship's name is Bottomsup, therefore making me (CSPVG) the pilot.
Oh, really? So you are saying you are the only player so far who does not pilot a ship named after him, but after his role? Hah! I don't believe it.
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HijacK: <snip>
As I explained in my above post, I had merely misread my PM from Telika.
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HijacK: <snip>
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CSPVG: As I explained in my above post, I had merely misread my PM from Telika.
Convenient. You'd think one would pay better attention to one's PM from a moderator considering he was making a "reads" list, if one can call it that.
Considering we already have mafia ship Adaliabooks piloted by Twitch, I don't see too much of problem here. Doesn't seem like there is something to falseclaim so I am willing to accept it as simple mistake.
"Oh, Not Ending Soon War
Oh, Not Ending Soon War
Will you end soon
Probably not"


Gurspurd Van Klugelplum : "Not Ending Soon War", composed circa year 130 of the Not Ending Soon War.

Vitek has 1 vote, by Dedoporno.
DarkoD13 has 1 vote, by Krypsyn.
CSPVG has 2 votes, by Trentonlf and Hijack.
Hijack has 1 vote, by CSPVG.

Vitek, Robbeasy, Yogsloth, Mrkgnao, Sage103082 and DarkoD13 aren't voting.

Deadline is on the 16th of November.
Post edited November 05, 2014 by Telika
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Telika: snip
You seem to be missing a vote on HijacK placed by CSPVG.

At the very end, kind of hidden within the text.
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Vitek: CSPVG's reasons for voting HijcaK's seem a bit off, though. He got to his last game methods (where he was town) therefore he is mafia?
When you think about it, there are no expectations you can really have for CSPVG. All his voting reasons so far have been weak. Game #23 he voted for me for some of my very first RVS posts, because he thought an RVS thing sounded scummy when it was perfectly plausible in the setting. His lack of explanation for his actions is another reason why I don't want to lift my vote from him. He seems to be more active only when he's in danger. Let things cool down and he'll literally disappear.
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Telika: snip
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dedoporno: You seem to be missing a vote on HijacK placed by CSPVG.

At the very end, kind of hidden within the text.
Ooooooh i hate when they do that.

(i think i do that a lot)
Post edited November 05, 2014 by Telika
CSPVG is either a very good liar or he is the doctor as he says as there are too many things that can make his claim fail. So Unvote CSPVG

I have gone over the thread again and have come to the conclusion that whoever the scum are this game they are playing a good one it seems. Multiple people looking at someone different, and it seems no consensus between lists.
I should have written down everyones list, but I unfortunately did not.

So, if don't mind would everyone please post their town to scum list. I'm not looking for reasoning right now, just want to see how the lists line up.

Town
Darko
Yogsloth
Robb

Neutral
CSPVG
Dedo
Sage
Vitek
Mrkgnao
Hijack

Scum
Krypsyn

Other than Darko no one seems to have Krypsyn on their tend to scum list, so I'm not going to keep beating that drum for him. I've given my reasons, and if want (when I'm not on my phone) I'll try and link the posts to them.

I have most as neutral now because other than Krypsyn I'm not sure who I feel is more scummy than the rest, and I am finding this frustrating.
Enabling HijacK because I'm nice like that.