Is it your birthday?! Whatever you wish for, I wish it for you 2x :)

Happy birthday, Sage!

Here's my thing. In game #22 I was scum. In all four lynches I voted early and never budged.
I'll go one further. In all the two-and-a-bit games that I played so far (nothing compared to your 19+), I particpated in 100% of the lynches AND 100% of my votes led to a lynch (excluding of course RVS and tree votes). As far as I can remember I never unvoted (again, exclduing...). We play differently.

I will not vote for CSPVG without reasonable cause. I don't believe your theory and no one else has brought forward a reasonable cause. He is, of course, lurking to extremes, but by my criteria there have been so many lurkers in this game (CSPVG, Krypsyn, Robbeasy, Sage, Vitek) that I can no longer use that as an argument.

As you can see from my record above, I vote for people when I tend to believe they are scum and I believe others are likely to join. I do my part by trying to convince people and when I feel that I have convinced a fair share, only then do I vote. I know I haven't convinced others about you.

If others are willing to vote for you along the lines you suggest, I will gladly join or even lead. Let's wait and hear from others.

I am pretty sure almost everyone here is willing to make the same noble gesture you have just made. I certainly am. I am certain we are both dispensable.

And, yes, I am sure you or someone will see this as scummy. It's how I play. Every vote is sacred in our neighbourhood.

Tell me (cos i cant be arsed to look ;) - in all four of those lynches where you voted early - were any of them scum lynches?

Because if not your point is invalid

No. The four game #22 lynches were all town lynches.
But you can hardly compare my game #22, which was my first mafia game ever in any form, with your 20th game on GOG.
Moreover game #22 had only two mafia (Krypsyn and me), which I assume is not the case here.

A really bad post from someone I saw as a good player, regardless of alignment.
You are basically role fishing. If you're town you're doing something that's greatly detrimental to town for obvioius reasons, if you're scum you're shining a light on an effort to weed out power roles. That is all.

I do not see the reasoning in CSPVG's suspicions and I do want him to elaborate whenever he decides to grace us with his presence. Maybe he'll even answer my question.
Mrkgnao has justified his suspicions with "linguistics", claiming he played the same way in an older game. No one doubted that claim, so I guess it is the thruth?

The CSPVG/mkrgnao synergy does look too obvious to be scummy though (to me at least). Also, there are probably better lynch targets for the mafia to go after than the 1st voter of a scum-lynch bandwagon.

Just a really quick note - I was thinking about this last night. I think in this game, I've become the equivalent of that crazy homeless guy that lives in the park, and stands on the benches yelling at trees. So I'm going to dial it back a bit.

My reads post will be incoming shortly (hour or two most likely). However, I think I need to make a small correction:

As I replied before, this is the post I was referring to when I said I had it open when Telika prodded me. This seems unlikely upon rereading, if you go by the post he made to which I replied; the two posts were ~50 posts apart. The thread was moving quickly, but I am not sure it was moving that quickly. What did occur is that I was typing up the apology post without even reading the thread, and in the ~3 hour period in which I had the post window open I received a PM prod from Telika (probably sent when he told Sage he would give me one more day before finding a replacement). I then scrolled quickly back to find a post in the thread where he prodded me, and made my post a reply to that.

I corroborated my claim back in post #706 with references to my own post-game analysis posts, where I disclosed my methods: "That is how I uncovered popperik in game #22 and trentonlf+budejovice in game #23". I hope no one believes that I falsely bread-crumbed two games in advance to allow me to make this argument here.

I can attest to mrkgnao's play style as similar to previous games. He was not making up a lie about using linguistics, and I for sure don't think any breadcrumbing was done. He's an intelligent player with very well thought out posts.

Thank you. It's a very nice thing to say. It means a lot to me.

Is there anything beneficial to going after other players play-styles / scum hunting methods? I think we should be more concerned about finding scum and not how others are trying to do it and whether if we think it is a good method or not.

Sounds good. What would be the first thing you would analyze then? What would you weight as most important for analysis?

One is back from the airport, and I'm cranky and tired. I've made notes as I read the last few pages, so here goes nothing:

Darko, post 910 - Here Darko asks,"Do you think it was necessary for Rob to bus an alleged fellow scum that early?"

I find the inclusion of the word 'necessary' interesting. Do I think that it was necessary? No, not really. Do I think that is something a scum-player trying to act like a townie would do? Yes, I do think so.

While it may seem excessive, I think it would lend massive amounts of credibility to the scum-player. Usually, as I have stated before in a post, the person that falls under scrutiny on day two is the hammerer. Therefore, the earlier you vote, the less scummy you (usually) appear. It may seem a bridge too far for some, but I can definitely see a mafioso bussing their buddy from that early on, just to gain townie points. Especially if your fellow mafioso made as many mistakes as adalia did.

Krypsyn, post 917 - Here Krypsyn gives a long post summing up adalia's wagon. I feel that an earlier post by Darko summed this up well enough. Don't feel that much was contributed here.

Sage, post 929 - Sage comes (to my mind) from out of nowhere, and then proceeds to vote. Seems a bit scummy to me, as she uses HijacK's post to justify said vote.

Yog, post 940 - Long post in response to HijacK. Can't escape the feeling that this is one of those townie-on-townie fights. It's quite tiresome.

Rob, post 947 - A sort of mild-mannered screed against mrk and I from Rob. The theory about us colluding is frankly ludicrous. Rob places what I feel to be an OMGUS vote on me.

Sage, post 950 - Sage explains her vote a little more. Still something suspect about the vote to me, though.

HijacK, post 967 - Here I must again stress that I only pointed out my ship model after adalia's death because I thought that when we all (almost inevitably) have to claim, the ship models are also going to be an important part of said claim. Therefore, I didn't want to give anyone room to say,"Hey, that's adalia's ship model and you must have got it from his death post, you liar!" So I thought I'd come clean about it then instead of later.

Yog, post 977 - Posts link refuting earlier claim of flub's pursuit of Rob. Possible that HijacK is trying to misdirect town. Could point to him leaning scum.

HijacK, post 980 - Not really sure what HijacK expects us to get out of the post he points out (number 145).

Also, is this damn fight between HijacK and Yog still going on? You're both, at this point, chucking slightly inflammatory blocks of nothing at one another.

To those wondering why flub was NK - In my experience of playing GOG Forum Mafia, it's not uncommon for scum to go with such a seemingly random night 1 target. It's often a ploy used to give town as little information as possible, as it seems so out of the blue.

Krpypsyn, post 1008 - Interesting find by Krypsyn. Could point to trent being scanned at night.

Last, concerning the possibility of me having a power role - This sort of play is why I went after HijacK so vehemently on day 1 of the last game.

Last time it was his general (and usually openly insulting) bullishness that put me off. Now it's his open role fishing and claim demands. This sort of play is really anti-town, and you've definitely slipped down a few rungs on my town ladder.

Unless it is something that the whole group wants, I shall not role claim.

Are you referring to DarkoD13's post 638?