It could explain the "invalid" title.

Could it be that Red died from the shock of having her jewels stolen?

Did somebody have any other night action performed on red earlier? We don't know what kind of invalid red was, could be that intruding on her room I moved something unconciously, she couldn't reach her medicine during the night and died because of that. She was found dead in bed, no violent action implied, so something along those lines is a possibility IMO.

Not in front of mine, in front of nmillar's.
But I still like my theory. :-)
Do you have any better?

So you have not killed Red_Baron?

You are ice-cold killer now. How do you like it? :-)


Everyone, tell me who do you think last scum is.

Nope, I have had nothing to do with any of the deaths.

My reasoning is simply that Joe had to have included the numbers for a reason. It would needlessly complicate things otherwise. I thought that Joe would let a random number generator decide what number, from one to five, would give the player a successful action for that night. The players would then pick their numbers, also from one to five, and Joe would see if they'd picked the 'correct' number for that night.

This does seem a little far fetched, but I am simply trying to rationalise why the numbers were added in the first place.

As for my scumlist, I'm going to have to say that at this point in time Vitek and Darko are my primary suspects. I suspect both of them on tenuous grounds, though: Vitek for simply having coasted through most of this game and having alluded to a role which he has not yet revealed, and I suspect Darko because I'm still somewhat dubious about his claim. Having said this, I'm not sure what to make of the reads I have on both flubbucket and JMich, as both of them are so different.

I know. Yet the handkerchief in front of your room had no boot polish on it according to Telika. So either the handkerchief killer didn't visit nmillar and the hair is something else or there is something than differentiates your character from nmillar's and the way the killer's power acted on you.

Actually, checking Telika's post again, he found the blond hair+hk in front of your room. So there should have been a boot polish+hk clue somewhere the following day. I don't really have a theory, I'm just saying that there are pretty big holes in the argument that the blond hair+hk means the hk killer visited nmillar so the blond hair+hk popped up the following day. Or whatever you're arguing.

My original suspect list actually had Red_Baron close to the top...that's a bust.

Now I'm leaning more toward P1na then Vitek. Next CSPVG then DarkoD13

Maybe Joe just felt like it is easier for blonde hair to get on handkerchief than for boot polish.
But I think it isn't that important. I am sure Rod was Handkerchief even without it.

@JMich, Pina, Darko; who do you think is last scum?
@flub; so only person you are sure is town is JMich?

mmm... We've had a bunch of cops on this game, with Rod turning out to be a mafia cop and all. I would like to trust CSPVG on his word of being another cop, but it does feel a bit crowded.

If I have to choose, I'd go for people who haven't claimed a role yet. For instance, Vitek's mentioned he has some kind of role, but we know nothing of it. He's likely not a cop, we've got our fill of those already. If he was some kind of doctor/bodyguard, I Telika shouldn't be dead. Telika and I were a pretty good police combo and the 2 main (known) power roles yesterday, but since he believed Rod was the handkerchief assassin and that I alone wouldn't be that much help he would have protected Telika if he could. So there's that. I don't know enough of mafia games to guess what other kinds of roles he could have, and I don't have the drive to check the internet to find out either.

I'm also curious as of why flub is putting me high on his list. I think I have pretty much proved my role as the thief, which has turned out to be basically a cop role, and there's already flipped mafia cop. I find it hard to believe that the mafia would have a inexperienced girl, a traitor and 2 cops, so why put me there? Other than me not taking things seriously, of course. I can't argue with that point.

I'd expect some kind of consistent logic behind Telika's clues, but do I agree with you that Rod was probably the handkerchief killer since P1na is still alive.

Like I said before, I don't trust CSPVG and he's my primary suspect based on his claimed results and the way he made his initial claim, at a time when there was no profit to town to make a claim like that.
The only alternative I can see is that flub has a godfather (godmother?) ability hence the unsatisfying nature of CSPVG's result, but I think that CSPVG just lying about his power and trying to confuse the town is far more likely.

I am sure of no one but myself.

I find JMich less suspicious now than earlier in this game for reasons only based on gameplay.

I find DarkoD13's role to be plausible. I find P1na's role also plausible, but scumhunting was limited to replies to Telika. Points for disclosure, which is more than I can say for Vitek.

CSPVG has proven to be an enigma for me. How can a seemingly investigative role survive?? We then are told he's not really an investigator but a magician.....uh ok?? The earlier gameplay seems to suggest fishing for another "investigator" rather than simply stating the lack of credibility his (CSPVG's) might have. (I might be an insane cop so there's bound to be a sane one.) I can't seem to let go of the crafted side of his posts. There doesn't seem to be a hard stance on anything until JMich. Was everything before planned with an escape hatch??

It became clear Telika's role and play, were far more contributive therefore the obvious choice for nightkill.

With nmillar dead there's no one left to protect.

What say you??

Do we have a deadline?

At this point, I think it's most likely one of CSPVG, Flubbucket or Vitek.
Flubbucket is because I'm not sure if we would have 2 lynchers in a game, since that does mean that one of them can be a winner, or none of them. Unless we have a double voter and both get lynched on the same day, which I do find highly unusual. But it is a Joe game.
CSPVG has a claim that would be easy to bluff for a scum, but Telika does place him at the rooms of those he said he visited. So if he is scum, that means he has a role that doesn't interact with others that much. And scum already had a flavour cop, so I doubt they'll have a second.
Vitek still hasn't disclosed his role, or what actions he took during the nights so far. So I do find him the most likely one.