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Posted March 22, 2014
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Rodzaju:
Still participating ?

Even if not, and if townie, could you at least tell us id you have a capitalized element in your introductory PM, or elements that would have been likely to be found by p1na ?
Posted March 23, 2014
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Telika: -snip-
Vitek - Black boot polish (verified)
-snip-
Was this confirmed? I got the impression that Vitek was in doubt about it - unsure if he even had an item.
Posted March 23, 2014
Been confirmed enough by vitek's mention of polishing boots and by his reaction when I was assuming he had been the one visiting cspvg in night 2 (and leaving traces of black boot polish). Unless someone else sudden claims that visit and that item, I don't see a reason to doubt it.

JoeSapphire, do you have news of Rodzaju ? Has he mentionned obstacles to participation or expressed disinterest ? Have you attempted a prod ?
Posted March 23, 2014
Ah okay, so Vitek visited CSPVG - At this stage I am honestly still really curious about that as we are in kinda a make or break scenario, and any roles that apparently can visit others appear helpful. But I guess he has his reasons to keep it under the hood.
Posted March 24, 2014
SORRY

I'll find time for a votecount TODAY


Rodzaju I have heard nothing from I will attempt contact
Posted March 24, 2014
I still think the same I thought before.
At least one of Red_Baron, Rodzaju, Jmich is certainly scum beacuse of waht was said.

We ditched scum hunting long ago so I am willing to go with this and one of them should be our lynch.
Rodzaju's flip would be more helpful because if he flips town then Red_Baron will be basically confirmed too (that would be awful).
On the other hand he was the least scummy of them for me.

Still I think we should lynch him. Should he flip town, Pina checks RB (or JMich perhaps) and we very likely lynch JMich.
Should he flip scum we lynch RB and celebrate. \o/

We could also say Rod is least useful for his activity but let's be honest, JMich is not really of more use than him. :-p
I personally would prefer to lynch Red_Baron as most of what I said about Rod relates to him too but he seems to be immune to votes throughout this game. :-/


If I am mislead by Telika then so be it. It's better to lose than stay in this boredom.

Any objections?
No?
Really?

Vote Rodzaju.
Posted March 24, 2014
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Vitek: and we very likely lynch JMich.
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JMich is not really of more use than him. :-p
Love you too Vitek.

But yes, more or less my train of thought as well, with the exception that I know my affiliation. Also waiting for Rod to post before voting for him though.
Posted March 24, 2014
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Vitek: Should he flip town, Pina checks RB
You think that Red_Baron can be mafia if Rodzaju is town ?
Posted March 24, 2014
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Telika: You think that Red_Baron can be mafia if Rodzaju is town ?
Not really, but if he flips town then JMich is very likely lynch anyway so it is not so important to check him. Also I find JMich's item most believeable of the 3 (easy job considering Rod said nothing :-)).
It's up to Pina, though, and I want him to consider both as option. If mafia know exactly what he is about to do, then they can adjust to it.
Posted March 24, 2014
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Vitek: If mafia know exactly what he is about to do, then they can adjust to it.
That's true. But, given that Red would be quite cleared by Rod flipping town, and that JMich wouldn't be the last suspect left, I'd prefer a check on him rather than tresting his guilt through a lynch. And I think that verifying his item could be quite determining : SirPrimalform's "Harriet Franks wears rouge" could be a lie, but if it's true, I'd strongly doubt JMich's scumminess. I do not think that a mafioso would have, on day 1, simply offered us a true clue about an accomplice, without knowing what the consequnces would be.

So, I think that p1na could clear JMich (at least in my eyes). And... if Rod flips town AND Red gets indirectly confirmed by Rod having been honest about win conditions AND JMich gets kinda cleared by p1na finding his rouge, THEN, it will be early enough (barely) to raise the alarm about my theory (according to which one of those thrre HAS to be NMillar's killer).

It would mean that Flub or Darko (or even CSPVG, or even p1na and me) are mafia. That would be a whole new configuration. So, we'd better notice before a mislynch.

Anyway, I doubt that the problem would arise, ad I do expect either Rod to flip mafia, or JMich to carry handkerchiefs.

And if Rod does flip mafia (thus possibly being the handkerchief killer), then the last mafioso has equal chances to be JMich, RedBaron or Darko...
Posted March 24, 2014
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Telika: So, I think that p1na could clear JMich (at least in my eyes). And... if Rod flips town AND Red gets indirectly confirmed by Rod having been honest about win conditions AND JMich gets kinda cleared by p1na finding his rouge, THEN, it will be early enough (barely) to raise the alarm about my theory (according to which one of those thrre HAS to be NMillar's killer).
Why do you think JMich having indeed rouge would confirm him as town? He could still be buddy? Only because SPF said Harriet wears rouge? So what? Or is there any other reason?

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Telika: And if Rod does flip mafia (thus possibly being the handkerchief killer), then the last mafioso has equal chances to be JMich, RedBaron or Darko...
Really? You don't think Rod flipping mafia wouldn't make RB more likely to be his buddy?
(Does RB really has some kind of holy aura around himself?)
Posted March 24, 2014
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Telika: So, I think that p1na could clear JMich (at least in my eyes). And... if Rod flips town AND Red gets indirectly confirmed by Rod having been honest about win conditions AND JMich gets kinda cleared by p1na finding his rouge, THEN, it will be early enough (barely) to raise the alarm about my theory (according to which one of those thrre HAS to be NMillar's killer).
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Vitek: Why do you think JMich having indeed rouge would confirm him as town? He could still be buddy? Only because SPF said Harriet wears rouge? So what?
You're a mafioso. You get a clue about another mafioso, in a game that seems to be clue-based. Will you simply divulge it ? I would not. I would either conceal it, or alter it.

And yes, I assume that the mafia knows the character name of their co-scum, because it was the case in my own game.

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Telika: And if Rod does flip mafia (thus possibly being the handkerchief killer), then the last mafioso has equal chances to be JMich, RedBaron or Darko...
Really? You don't think Rod flipping mafia wouldn't make RB more likely to be his buddy?
(Does RB really has some kind of holy aura around himself?)
I can very well imagine Red being town and Rod mafia. The only element that goes towards co-scumming here is Red's age adjustment, which could be a little preventive attempt to adapt to a clumsy fakeclaim by Rod before anyone calls it out (Red had already given his age - actually even before Rod, if I'm not mistaken).

But apart from that, I see his situation as mostly neutral. If I had to blindlynch someone after Rod flipping scum, it could be JMich, Red, Flub or Darko indifferently. If I'm alive the others build up a wagon on Red, I'll probably follow it.
Posted March 24, 2014
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Telika: I would not. I would either conceal it, or alter it.
Despite the existence of someone who claims he can spot false clues? You've got some cojones.

Anyway, I can't say I'm particularly suspicious of Rod, but he has broken nmillar's record of absence and he could have an undisclosed night action, so
vote Rodzaju
Posted March 24, 2014
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Telika: I would not. I would either conceal it, or alter it.
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DarkoD13: Despite the existence of someone who claims he can spot false clues? You've got some cojones.
I had to check, and indeed, Amok had claimed to be able to assess their veracity at 416, while SirPrimalform claimed his clue on 439. So I assume the rouge to be real.

I'm still not sure that a mafioso would be that eager to share that clue if it was about an accomplice but, indeed, I don't think he'd have lied at that point.

That said, his comments, in the same post, were

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SirPrimalform: Doesn't seem useful at first glance and could be a red herring. Or maybe it's useful info to help the mafia track down power roles
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SirPrimalform: Well I don't understand how your 'power' could be of any use if you can't discuss your results. I don't believe you're a clue sniffer cop thing.
which may hint both at a call to mafia to use the clues, and at a (daring but ultimately justified) downplaying of the truth-sniffing danger...

Hard to tell what it implies about the veracity of his clue and JMich's alignment...
Posted March 24, 2014
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Telika: You're a mafioso. You get a clue about another mafioso, in a game that seems to be clue-based. Will you simply divulge it ? I would not. I would either conceal it, or alter it.

And yes, I assume that the mafia knows the character name of their co-scum, because it was the case in my own game.
It is highly possible I would.
There could be some sort of clue cop and he could easily bust me if I faked it, it doesn't look like so much useful info and if my information actually helped to get scum lynched it would gain me trust with town.

And what if he actually altered it? He knew his buddy, Harriet Jones wears rouge so he used it while his real clue was something else.
(I doubt it to be the case but anything's possible:-))

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Telika: I can very well imagine Red being town and Rod mafia. The only element that goes towards co-scumming here is Red's age adjustment, which could be a little preventive attempt to adapt to a clumsy fakeclaim by Rod before anyone calls it out (Red had already given his age - actually even before Rod, if I'm not mistaken).

But apart from that, I see his situation as mostly neutral. If I had to blindlynch someone after Rod flipping scum, it could be JMich, Red, Flub or Darko indifferently. If I'm alive the others build up a wagon on Red, I'll probably follow it.
Rodzaju, by means of his claim, basically tried to confirm RB. Do you really think it wouldn't make him more likely to be scum than the rest of the bunch? I am not saying assured, but more likely.
Last time he tried to label someone as town, it was his buddy nmillar in the game he talked about before.
But I am not surprised you don't think so and I do considering you are at love with RB with each other in this game (the same love you had with SPF - hadn't I know you can't be scum together (because of Rod), I would still place my money on you 2) and I am trying to convince everyone that he is scum since Day 1.

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JMich: Also waiting for Rod to post before voting for him though.
Constant waiting and stalling has been ruining this game for months.
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