Also, my point was more about the limited knowledge we have of each others, even on themes that link our characters : be it your pressure on my holidays, or your testament for Rod, or your wealth and power, or your own assumption that someone forced YOU to come, or even your disability. More specifically, how this mutual ignorance is being selectively used for accusations ("ooh how weird that I/you should ignore this on you/me/us, this is clearly the sign of a blatant lie, lynch lynch").

Both you and Rod have used this argument against me, ignoring similar gaps between yourselves, which is particularly interesting in the case of Rod, who not only is the one basing a vote on it (as well as on a "word versus word" interpretation of my repeatedly clarified theoretical suspicion against JMich), but also went full circle : assuming that I lie about my flavor because its elements are as absent from your flavor as his own testament story, and then explaining my specific role, motive and strategy on the basis of my flavor being real.

So, just pointing this. The only difference between Rod and me on that is that, apparently, Rod is mentionned while I am not. Either we apply a drastic double standard on the shared flavor elements, or we consider that this alone makes me scum. You've backpedalled on this, okay, and you had only expressed suspicions. But Rod is actually pushing a lynch on this basis. And this raises the question of the honesty of his reasoning.

So, as candidates for monogrammed handkerchief ownership go, JMich, Rod and Red are still the most likely for reasons of "free night action slot", but JMich (with his absence of particularly townie action), and Rod (with his particularly townie action towards Frances being balanced by a very dubious reasoning) are leaving Red a bit behind.

For now, i'd favour them both (I mean any of them), as suspects for NMillar's murder.

Well, to do what I consider my actual first somewhat backpedaling (in regards to how I interpret my flavor), I have gradually (which also shows in the post I made about power-roles) come to realize that in regards to my flavor, ignoring the dislike for what it is and only looking at the reason my character disliked him, I didn't see something that could be said; oh thats scummy. More in the line of someone being slightly overzealous - which I guess could be scum behavior, but would also analyzing it too much. Hence why as I continued to re-read it (to check with you and Rodzaju's versions) and with my power-role thing I became even more confused as to how I should judge this. Again, instinct from most of the game waring with new ideas and speculations caused by the power-roles and flavor association. Much in the same way as you, because I do not agree in the vote for you, and meant what I wrote in the power-roles as in regards to that. What the missing flavor has caused it basically shaking me in certainty, thus why I said you deserved to win if you are scum for a brilliant plot (at least as I see it).

As for Rodzaju I am fairly confused about the inheritance thing, mostly because I (thanks to tons of crime stories :P) relate inheritance claims to murdering the person the inherit. Given who have been murdered so far I guess a lyncher would be the most appropriate role, but that Rodzaju should be a lyncher with me as target seems very unlikely. So he might be truthful, or the whole like thing might be rigged so he is actually scum - again since I didn't have a read on him from the beginning, though some is forming with him more active coupled with this whole Prudence thing, as I recall another confirmed town speaking his praise. As such I am still primarily inclined to consider Rodzaju town, with the assumption that Joe haven't been a complete bastard - which I guess is somewhat dangerous grounds.

As for ignoring gaps, I would disagree in my case. I have just basically stated them, not ignored any.
Rodzaju have one point of correlation with me that I know for certain (his name) and claims another: poor health
You(Telika) have one point of correlation: You knew my name (I assume Rodzaju did as well, since he if I recall correct also replied before I did to your original question about Constance) and properly also that I was elderly (the aunt thing - though I do know 26 year old aunts).

Which is also in part why I arrived at JMich as my preferred lynch.

Nope.

Sorry for my absence lately, reality's a bitch.

I did mention your name back in post 1425.
I do not have a specific age for you, but considering the whole inheritance thing & your "poor health", I had assumed you would be older than me & I'm 81.....

I'm sorry for not posting in awhile. Things have, once again, been a bit hectic and when they haven't been, I've been wasting time playing CIV.

The only thing I have to add to the current discussion, is that I'm baffled by Red_Baron's assertion that I've attempted to get everyone to work at something or other. Mind you, that's not an accusation, it's just that my PM doesn't have say anything about that. It does mention that I feel I've found a place where I can apply my skills and that I may be able to achieve something here, but otherwise mentions no specifics.

Red_Baron: Does your PM state what work I'm attempting to get everyone to do?

Furthermore, I'd be quite interested to hear what Vitek's hinted at role is.

Lastly, has anyone heard from Joe? He hasn't been around in an age, and I'd rather like a vote count.

Two thoughts :

1) I am a bit worried by the presence of jewels and of a professional thief in the same chalet. P1na, do you have any mention of jewelery, in your flavor ?

2) I am wondering about who the mafia will target tonight, as I would even know who i'd prioritise in their position : me (omni watching), p1na (thief with handkerchief-finding menace) or cspvg (possible cop)... In particular, i'm wondering about the consequences of any of these kills on the investigation, and how to maximise the usefulness of any of us if another dies. If p1na dies, i'd still be able to confirm night activity and movements. If I die, p1na may find "trademark" elements but not necessarily relate them to a night movement.

So, i'm asking this : would it be a good idea to claim possible trademark elements ? That is, a list of items that one could anticipate to be found by P1na when investigated.

The idea is that the mafia would not take the chance to be tracked in criminal activities. The non-handkerchief mafioso would want to make a kill (especially is we manage to lynch the Handkerchief Killer), so would not want to get linked to an item. I expect mafia to lie about their potential trademark item. If I die tonight and p1na discovers something else than a handkerchief, it will be interesting (though not determining) to see if that item has been correctly anticipated by the owner, or doesn't correspond to anything he listed.

Normally the remaining "identity elements" should be mafia or town vanilla, so it should not be an issue for town. What are the opinions on this plan ?

Also :

Yeah, in vaguely Agatha Christie settings, I do indeed associate "I am her heir" to "therefore she should die so i'll inherit" more than to "therefore she must live so I'll inherit".

As for bastard modding, i'm not sure it weights. I think we all have people who have reasons to like us and to dislike us, which is part of the setting, which means that there will necessarily be a few classic "nooo but but I liked youuu", whoever turns out mafia. I must not share what I haven't shared, but let's just say that my suspicions have not followed my character's judgements on personalities. And my (very relative) lowering of suspicion towards you is more plot-related (I don't see very well what the motive would be for a criminal to insist on the presence of the police) more than on the type of relation between our characters. My point is, I wouldn't relate such things to bastardy modding, but to classic plot intricacies...

Do you agree about that, Rodzaju ?

It's more a case of, "She must live, so that I'll inherit when she dies later of natural causes".

I'm really not sure what you are getting at here.
My mention of bastard modding was nothing to do with personalities, likes (or lack thereof) or any such intricacies.
It was the specific possibility (that, at one time I did consider quite likely) that I was town & RB was scum.
IF THIS WAS THE CASE, Even though I am town I could not win with town, but there are a specific set of circumstances (as detailed earlier) where I would win with scum.
THAT, & the implications it would have on reads & play is what I would consider Bastard Mod.

Frankly, I have no real option of trying to Lynch RB, whether I find him scummy or not.
If he is killed, I cannot win.
If you call that plot related, then fine.

In post 1651, you said:
"So, just pointing this. The only difference between Rod and me on that is that, apparently, Rod is mentionned while I am not. Either we apply a drastic double standard on the shared flavor elements, or we consider that this alone makes me scum. You've backpedalled on this, okay, and you had only expressed suspicions. But Rod is actually pushing a lynch on this basis. And this raises the question of the honesty of his reasoning. "

First of all, I would suggest that biggest (but far from only) difference between us is that you claim to be some kind of super townie that we can't survive without.
But here you are saying that both RB & me were suspicious of you.
He backed off, so he must be a good guy, while I hold to my beliefs & thus I must be dishonest?
And 1 vote does not a lynch make.

Yet again, you seem massively oversensitive to any kind of questioning & are absolutely brimming with OMGUS.
This does not reduce my suspicion at all.

A vote makes an intention (and a demand) to lynch. And you should have noticed that I am questioning the quality and honesty of your reasoning, more than your targets of suspicions.

Anyway, you are saying that you have an actual, technical win condition related to Red_Baron ? What is your role ?

I believe I already explained this in post 1625.

I choose not to be pressured by your OMGUS crusade.
I will claim when I choose to do so, or maybe as part of a masclaim.
Neither seems to apply here.

Wow, really? Joe is playing with us.. Mine is set to be 68 years old :O So should I guess that it was meant to have been the reverse (86)? I'll write to Joe about that, just to be sure, since I figure this must have been a typo by him unless the typo was at your end and meant 18? - As I see no reason for a 81 year old to wait for a 68 year old to die of natural causes... so it must be a mistake somewhere.

I have pondered about the Jewels, but I assume that the Item he'll steal from me would be a different one, as it is defined while the jewels is just called jewels, without any other specification.

@CSPVG: Just making in the eyes of my character horrible accusations (I guess one could presume that meant he accused someone I liked? Or just that the killer was one of us or something) and then demanded we all did what we must (whatever that means, but my character took it as saying that those not able to prevent the crime was to feel equal to the criminal - hence frustration and guilt of not being able to do anything and my character's ill-feeling toward you).

For real ?

And you have town win conditions, too ?

That does seem odd.
I am a widow, so I don't consider 18 to be a reasonable intention on Joe's part.
I would be interested in what he has to say to you...