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Posted March 14, 2014
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Telika:
The other thing to bear in mind is that this is a HYPOTHESIS.
It is an idea that makes sense to me given what I know from my role & the questions I have about yours.
I have no way of knowing how accurate it is, but I threw it out there for people to think about, examine & give their thoughts as well as show my thinking regarding recent revelations.

I find it surprising and illuminating the amount of effort you are going to to say "It doesn't make sense! It must be a lie!"

You seem to be very defensive & overly sensitive to any suggestion that you are not exactly what you say you are...
Posted March 14, 2014
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Telika:
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Rodzaju: The other thing to bear in mind is that this is a HYPOTHESIS.
It is an idea that makes sense to me given what I know from my role & the questions I have about yours.
I have no way of knowing how accurate it is, but I threw it out there for people to think about, examine & give their thoughts as well as show my thinking regarding recent revelations.

I find it surprising and illuminating the amount of effort you are going to to say "It doesn't make sense! It must be a lie!"

You seem to be very defensive & overly sensitive to any suggestion that you are not exactly what you say you are...
Do I have to inform you that you are currently voting for my lynch ?

I am not voting for you (for now) because NMillar has proven that one can completely screw up a reasoning ("i jailed him and there was no kill therefore he's the killer") without doing it deliberately. So I am not ging for "and if i flip town then lynch him" anymore.

However, I do point out that your circumvoluted theories make little to zero sense, and that it IS indeed a possible scum hint. I point out various elements that don't seem to bother you much about your claim (stuff like "if she dies i won't get her money so i don't want her to die", which would be a cute motivation for a protecting friend, the way you jump back and forth between my flavor being true therefore scum or false therefore scum, the way to ignore repeated detailed explanation about my bluff-based investigation on N2 activities, etc). Your reasoning is scummy to my eyes, especially the way it's articulated to flavor.

And I keep in mind that the idea plan for mafia right now is to have both me and P1na dead before next morning, as (unless we get different ranges of items), our combination is the most menacing threat for the mafia. This can be only achieved by having one lynched and the other nightkilled. So, yes, I'm quite attentive to attempts in that direction.

So. I have five suspects (and you're amongst them), sorted in two categories whose level of scummyness just got re-balanced as equivalent. I have to keep in mind that probably three of them are town.

And that the handkerchief killer (a specific mafioso with a night action and monogrammed handkerchiefs) is most likely to be either JMich, or Red_Baron, or you. Because the untargettable Darko may arleady have a night action (commuting) and Flubbucket has already a trademark item (lavender).

So yes, while I must be careful about interpretations on the degree of "good faith" of the proposed reasonings, I do also keep in mind the mafia's new priorities.
Posted March 14, 2014
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Telika: I point out various elements that don't seem to bother you much about your claim (stuff like "if she dies i won't get her money so i don't want her to die", which would be a cute motivation for a protecting friend,
The money is clearly not my only motive, but I had thought it the non-obvious and therefore worth mentioning part.
I am very fond of Constance, but she is getting on in years.
I have lost some social status since I lost my husband.
In the end, it always comes down to who has the biggest yacht or bank balance or country estate or....
I would never wish Connie harm, but no one lives forever and when she does eventually pass, I will benefit.
Now all this nastiness at the chalet has put that in jeopardy.
Posted March 14, 2014
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Telika: -snip- monogrammed handkerchiefs)-snip-.
Was just struck by a thought; monogrammed handkerchiefs does indicate some social status and pomp, which Rodzaju have just said he had, but lost. Also he is female, but that goes not just for him: Because have you mentioned them being monogrammed before? This matters, as if so then you should be able to tell what that monogram is.. since it will be the letters of that persons name.. Hence rather important clue..
Posted March 14, 2014
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Red_Baron: Was just struck by a thought; monogrammed handkerchiefs does indicate some social status and pomp, which Rodzaju have just said he had, but lost. Also he is female, but that goes not just for him: Because have you mentioned them being monogrammed before? This matters, as if so then you should be able to tell what that monogram is.. since it will be the letters of that persons name.. Hence rather important clue..
He has indeed mentioned it before and he has also mentioned not knowing what the initials are.
Posted March 14, 2014
Woo, that's a lot of new text.
TL;DR. :-p (but will later)

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Red_Baron: Was just struck by a thought; monogrammed handkerchiefs does indicate some social status and pomp, which Rodzaju have just said he had, but lost. Also he is female, but that goes not just for him: Because have you mentioned them being monogrammed before? This matters, as if so then you should be able to tell what that monogram is.. since it will be the letters of that persons name.. Hence rather important clue..
Yes, answered here and asked post before.



So, mr. JMich, what do you make of this situation, how would you proceed and who are your suspects?
Posted March 14, 2014
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Vitek: -snip-
Yes, answered here and asked post before.
-snip-
Ah thanks - blindness is always a good sign. But a shame, damn you joe :P
Posted March 15, 2014
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Vitek: So, mr. JMich, what do you make of this situation, how would you proceed and who are your suspects?
Let's see what we know then, shall we?

1) P1na, CSPVG and Darko. We already know that Darko can't be targeted by a Jailer, and neither CSPVG nor P1na were able to target him either. For Darko to be a strongman then, it would require all 3 of them to be scum, which along with SirPrimalForm and Amok makes for 4.5 scum. So at least one of them is town, so Darko is untargetable. Could he me a mafia commuter? I think not, but it is a Joe game after all. Still, Darko goes to the bottom of the scum list for me.

2) Telika gives a nice list of flavour items in 1503, with some having been claimed before, some others not. Silk Threads were one of the not claimed ones, that CSPVG said are his. Then we also have the Boot Polish, which I don't recall anyone claiming yet.
I find it difficult that Telika could guess each player's flavour item, though he could of course be paying attention to who mentioned which one. But CSPVG confirmed the Silk Threads as his, so I think Telika's power is real, and probably town as well.

3) CSPVG is helping confirm quite a few people, so he is in the "Most likely town" part of the list.
4) P1na is also most likely town (or neutral), but that is mostly a feel due to Telika's diagram.

5) Vitek. I have no idea. He does seem to have a night action, and he was visited by the one with the Handkerchief, but hasn't given much info yet. He'll most likely solve everything tomorrow ;) Gut feel he's town, though that may be because I don't want to get in long arguments with him again.

6) Flubbucket. People say he claimed lyncher, though I don't recall said post. Would appreciate being pointed towards it. Could be scum.
Pre-post edit: Ah, found it.

7 and 8) Rodzaju and Red_Baron. Most likely to be scum, for all the reasons Vitek and Telika mention. Add to it that Red_Baron could be lying about no mention of the Inspector in his PM, while the mention of Prudence could be the scum conspirators he has.

So far, I am waiting to see which ones push for my lynch. Not too many it seems, Flubbucket, Rodzaju and Red_Baron.
Flub and Rod did remove their votes though, I think Flub isn't currently voting for someone, while Rod is going after Telika
Posted March 15, 2014
Rod, are you aware of Red's disability ?
Posted March 15, 2014
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Telika: Rod, are you aware of Red's disability ?
I am now!

I was aware that she was very elderly and "in poor health" but I was not aware of the specifics.
Posted March 15, 2014
Rod, do you know whether someone (or even who) "brought" Constance to the chalet, or/and whether someone (or even who) "was brought" by Constance to the chalet ?
Posted March 15, 2014
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Telika: Rod, do you know whether someone (or even who) "brought" Constance to the chalet, or/and whether someone (or even who) "was brought" by Constance to the chalet ?
I have no information about this at all.
It is not mentioned in my role info.
Posted March 15, 2014
Red, I got it right : you can positively confirm neither being rich (Rodzaju's flavor) nor being influent (my flavor), correct ?

P1na, do you have any mention of Constance Drabble in your own flavor PM ?
Posted March 15, 2014
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Telika: Red, I got it right : you can positively confirm neither being rich (Rodzaju's flavor) nor being influent (my flavor), correct ?
Well as said, I have no mention of being influential - Only people mentioned is Prudence and that my doctor recommended I sleep every night. Add to that it mentions me disliking Hoarly because I feel guilty for not being able to do anything due to bad knees, labored breathing and the before mentioned heart-condition (from which I gathered only the inability to do anything is thought about as physical help, and thus I have no means to do anything else).

It makes no mention of why I am there, only that I believe I wouldn't have survived without the help of Prudence and that I find it terrible that someone could inflict such pain on an old woman - but as it is mentioned in relation to heart fluttering, I believe it is the fear of the murder causing it.

It makes a mention of jewels, because I fear murderous gangs will steal them, but I can't really say if rich or not from that.

But you have a point there Telika, should really have asked Rodzaju about it before I mentioned it myself.

Anyway glad to see JMich have much the same reasoning as me, though naturally he included me in his possible scum, while I had him :D But at least there is a shared sentiment in it.

EDIT: Great, I hit some button on my keyboard so now my browser window can be moved, selected by itself, function as touchscreen, have a screenshoot button and I can change resolution for only this window :O?? Interesting function for sure, but fairly annoying. Hope I'll get it solved after posting this. Should anyone have a good idea as to what I hit, I would be curious as to what so I can avoid it in the future.
Posted March 15, 2014
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Red_Baron: Add to that it mentions me disliking Hoarly because I feel guilty for not being able to do anything due to bad knees, labored breathing and the before mentioned heart-condition (from which I gathered only the inability to do anything is thought about as physical help, and thus I have no means to do anything else).
You have often mentionned that you suspect Hoarly because of your flavor, but... I didn't get how you relate this guilt feeling to a mafia affiliation ?

Actually I don't even get why your disability makes you feel guilty towards (or through, or because of) Hoarly in particular ?
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