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DarkoD13: -snip-

OK, thanks. Is it one piece? Could P1na drop pieces of it anywhere?
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Well I guess he could drop them around, doubt people would notice. But if he is to use them they would cause him problems. But I am with you in being interested in the whole scent thing, although flubbucket was the one the smell item came from so it would make sense that he wouldn't smell anything as P1na had yet to steal something that he could use on himself.
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Red_Baron: Well I guess he could drop them around, doubt people would notice. But if he is to use them they would cause him problems. But I am with you in being interested in the whole scent thing, although flubbucket was the one the smell item came from so it would make sense that he wouldn't smell anything as P1na had yet to steal something that he could use on himself.
The main problem is that Telika also smelt camomille, which is P1na's item, so it would make sense that flub would have smelt it too when he was visited by P1na the night before, but flub says he has no mention of camomille in his PMs.
By the way, reading your earlier post, why does talcum lead you to believe Telika is a magician? I only found this description for what a magician is, is it accurate?
"A magician (who) is on the citizens side and can choose to kill one person who they suspect is mafia each night and can save one person from being lynched "
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DarkoD13: I only found this description for what a magician is, is it accurate?
I think he means the "Old stage magician" that's mentioned in the OP. Not sure though.
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JMich: I think he means the "Old stage magician" that's mentioned in the OP. Not sure though.
Yes, it was him I meant. Weren't aware there was a role with that name.

The reason I got the idea, is that talcum as I recall is frequently used to dust ones hands and fingers before a show to avoid them being sweaty/sticky. However as I have no clue as to that, it is just a thin theory of mine for now. (Or course baseball players and others who use their hands to grab things also use it, but as I have no mention of a baseball player, I figured it could be the magician - at least going by the assumption that his items is relevant to him, just as my own is).
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JMich: May I ask for the flaws in the argument then?
My reservations about lynching nmillar are the same as flubbucket's earlier complaint. In other words, I'm dubious of lynching someone that may be a valuable power role, just so that we can get some information. I simply think that it would be better to attempt to lynch a person we find scummy, rather than lynching potential power roles to confirm other people( and this is not to say that nmillar isn't scummy).

Would lynching me confirm anyone in your eyes?

As for that promised vote, I'm still undecided.
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CSPVG: Would lynching me confirm anyone in your eyes?
Today? Assuming you flip town, it would confirm nmillar's role, but not affiliation. Tomorrow? It could also confirm darko.
Also, be aware that there is a difference between "Willing to lynch" and "Wanting to lynch". As I said before, I too would prefer to not have to lynch nmillar yet, but if he is the majority's choice, I will cast my vote as well. And seeing how nmillar is not in any danger, he won't be lynched (yet).
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CSPVG: I'm dubious of lynching someone that may be a valuable power role, just so that we can get some information.
Would you lynch a presumed vanilla just to get indirect info ?
Okay, this is heading towards an empty day with a sudden ending (do we know at what hour Joe shuts the day off ?).

I might cast a useless vote, but before that, and at least before going into the night, I would like to state the high flavor-based probability of a certain person to be town-affiliated.

I have two ways of doing that. I can give a vague flavor hint that would allow someone to answer "yup, it's me" without disclosing anything else. The drawback is that it may be twisted, reinterpreted, and appropriated by someone else, especially if the real person gets killed and can't go "hey it's me".

The other way is to give a name. Which would leave no ambiguity, but then a "yup, it's me" would be a name claim.

I might go the latter way if I get no answer right before the night (do we know what hour is right-before-the-night ?). The point is to not let such hint unexpressed, especially in the case I'd be the night's target - plus would have been validating it through my flip.

So, question : Which way is the preferred one ?
Is this person being voted for right now? If no - then I see no point confirming him as town. The only reason to confirm someone as town is if they are in danger of getting lynched, if not it makes that person just more open for night kill, as it is logical for scum to kill a confirmed townie.

I am still clinging to the hope of getting rid of Red this night, but I guess it will not happen. I do think any lynch is better than no-lynch, but there is absolutely no pattern in votes.. 4 people with 1 vote each, and 6 people not voted at all yet.
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amok: Is this person being voted for right now?
I do not know. As far as I'm concerned, it would be a help in sorting out scumminess level. But still, I could still use one of the two ways, and let that person decide for the time of identification. Still there are pros and cons for each of these two ways (instrumentalizable ambiguity versus forced nameclaim).
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amok: Is this person being voted for right now?
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Telika: I do not know. As far as I'm concerned, it would be a help in sorting out scumminess level. But still, I could still use one of the two ways, and let that person decide for the time of identification. Still there are pros and cons for each of these two ways (instrumentalizable ambiguity versus forced nameclaim).
I'm not sure I follow. If you move your eyes slowly up the page you can see who has votes against them and who doesn't.

I'm sure which ever you choose will be fine. At this juncture it would be nice to have at least one confirmed town, but how can that be accomplished??

Only mafia know who is town without doubt? I only know I am town, the rest of you are technically a mystery.
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flubbucket: I'm not sure I follow. If you move your eyes slowly up the page you can see who has votes against them and who doesn't.
I don't know the player's name.
JMich: Fair enough, really. I must also stress that this is only my opinion for the time being. I'd like at least one more night of reads from nmillar and any other power roles which may come forward, before I would consider voting to lynch for confirmation.

Telika: I'm not entirely sure. It would depend on the amount of information that would be divulged if such a thing were to occur. I am more inclined to say, " No, I would rather vote for someone I find scummy." than not.

Also, as to your most recent question, I'd go with the latter, as well. It would dispel any vagueness.

Lastly, I'm going to say Vote: Amok. I'm a little distressed by his use of the phrase," I am still clinging to hope of getting rid of Red this night," which would suggest to me that a night action and not, you know, the lynch that we're discussing( I may be entirely incorrect, of course). Apart from that( and I admit that I am both confused and a little unsure of my reads), he's the person that has acted the most openly scummy to me over the last two days.
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CSPVG: Lastly, I'm going to say Vote: Amok. I'm a little distressed by his use of the phrase," I am still clinging to hope of getting rid of Red this night," which would suggest to me that a night action and not, you know, the lynch that we're discussing( I may be entirely incorrect, of course). Apart from that( and I admit that I am both confused and a little unsure of my reads), he's the person that has acted the most openly scummy to me over the last two days.
A bit bad choice of words... I guess the right term would be "getting rid of Red this evening" instead of night. Anyway, I am happy to lynched this evening, just to get the this thing going.

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I'm not totally against voting Amok, as I think he's been more of a perturbation than a real help, and I feel that whatever his affoliation he's been acting and feeling more "neutral" than "protown". I don't truly think he's straightforward scum, though, and I suspect he's mostly a soft target. But one that can still blurry the game. Getting his foggy play out of the way may be both a "one more down" win for mafia and a clarification for town.

So, I might join the wagon if it grows. However, that is neither where I'd bet, not my preferred vote.

I'll cast my vote on Rodzaju. I do think that Nmillar is a mafia jailer, but he's a bit protected by his role, as there is a risk to deprive town of a power. However, Rodzaju/TwilightBard provided an alibi to Frances Page, whether a real one or a fake one (he provided it only after having thought we had lynched the one we had thought could check its veracity). So, I see Rodzaju as a way to clear or condemn the jailer.

I'm not a huge fan of my vote, as there is little to support Rod's guilt by itself. There is that straightforward alibi provided at a strange time, there is one possible slip (possibly meaningless) about numbering four mafia suspects as if the first one was implicit (would a mafioso make a freudian slip about numbering possible accomplices instead of a separate mafia group), but this may be a far-fetched interpretation. There has been Twilight's lurking but then the replacement shows that it wasn't a mere strategy. And Rod's reaction to ski investigation mirrored Nmillar's (a reaction I find very strange but which seems shared by many layers). So, real crumbles. Not a case.

But : Nmillar. I think that Nmillar and Rod are on the same team, whether town or mafia. So, for me, that'd be two flips for the price of one. I think it's the best strategy for now.

Now, if Rod happened to answer positively to the following question, though, it could mean a little avalanche of townie almost-confirmation, to my eyes. And without any lynch.

Rodzaju, do you consider yourself responsible for the presence of a reluctant relative in that chalet ?