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nmillar: As of now, you are still one of the most likely candidates - there's been no explanation yet as to the lack of a night kill on night 1 - but I see DarkoD13 as a more important avenue to pursue as he very well could be a mafia strongarm, which is very dangerous for my survival chances.
Seriously, why am I the one that's dangerous to your survival even if I am scum? Do you believe there is only one scum left in the game? You do sound awfully worried about your survival, though. Not to mention you keep ignoring that my role could be an explanation for the lack of NK on night 1 just because it doesn't suit your theory. You seem too certain about things.


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Telika: Talcum isn't scent-based.
Although it does kind of have a distinctive smell, doesn't it?
To be fair, I am very used to Nmillar making a big deal out of the fact that he is NEVER scum.
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DarkoD13: Seriously, why am I the one that's dangerous to your survival even if I am scum? Do you believe there is only one scum left in the game? You do sound awfully worried about your survival, though. Not to mention you keep ignoring that my role could be an explanation for the lack of NK on night 1 just because it doesn't suit your theory. You seem too certain about things.
Because you're the only one I can't block!

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Rodzaju: You are right.
Noted.
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nmillar: Before JMich's maths lesson, then maybe I could have done the whole sacrificial thing, but by that point you'd already done that, so me doing it as well would have seemed a bit hollow.

As of now, you are still one of the most likely candidates - there's been no explanation yet as to the lack of a night kill on night 1 - but I see DarkoD13 as a more important avenue to pursue as he very well could be a mafia strongarm, which is very dangerous for my survival chances.
I'll politely pass on the fact that I had already thoroughly explained you the maths at least twice before jmich greenlighted your understanding - to just point out that :

1) It wasn't a matter of being hollow. Convinced as you were, you could have simply agreed on the idea of "lynch one and if town then the other" at this point. If someone I'm sure is mafia claims he's ready for that, I'd pretty much assume he's bluffing and would push for it to be played out to the end.

2) "No explanation" so "most likely candidate" - maybe JMich should come back. It meant that IF mafia had attempted a kill, then there was roughly 1/2 chances of me being a blocked killer and 1/2 chances of me being a protected victim. IF we have an untargettable townie, then this falls to 1/3 (2/3 chances of me being town). So, yeah, you ground your accusations on totally objective elements there.

Anyway.

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nmillar: I was simply pointing out your contradiction. And you have a suspicious beard.
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Rodzaju: You are right.
Complete blonde moment!
And I have had a shave or 2 since we last met ;p
Are you people talking about in-game elements there, or just doing a flub stunt à la "i am an alcoholic but i don't drink but i meant i there". If so, please try to limitate it. There was already some confusion (to me) about skiing when people were mentioning their out-of-game abilities, and such jokes allow for easy correction and cop out.

"Oh no, I never jailed him. Ah, you meant in the game ?"
Me & Nmillar have played together several times.
Nmillar always made a huge deal out of the fact that he is NEVER mafia.
Then, in the last game (game 14), he WAS.

Incidentally, I have been mafia in the vast majority of games I have played (Including game 14)!

This was the game I referred to where we fought & I got him lynched.

Then when I commented on Nmillar acting quite un-Nmillarish, That game had slipped my mind, despite me mentioning it recently.

The beard comments are from real life meeting.
It tends to vary between barely stubble to full on santa depending on the time of year & other factors.
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nmillar: Because you're the only one I can't block!
But you would still have to find the other scum in order to block them from nightkilling you!
You make it sound like my death will guarantee your safety. And if you are that dangerous to scum and they desperately want you dead, why are you still alive?
Reading up on game 14 makes me think that the belief that you could be a mafia jailkeeper is justified. I don't believe we'll have a lynch today and I don't think my opinion holds much value until I'm verified tomorrow, but I feel I should express it by voting anyway:
Vote nmillar
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DarkoD13: But you would still have to find the other scum in order to block them from nightkilling you!
You make it sound like my death will guarantee your safety. And if you are that dangerous to scum and they desperately want you dead, why are you still alive?
But I already found the two remaining scum in the first two nights. And for anyone whose keeping track, I named SirPrimalform as one of my main suspects too (though I mistakenly dropped him for Robbeasy)!

The only reason I'm still alive at the moment is because there's still some doubt around my alignment, so scum are happy to keep me alive as I'm still a potential lynch.
*pretense of activity*
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Vitek: *pretense of activity*
why?
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nmillar: .................<snip>................

But I already found the two remaining scum in the first two nights.
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How did you find the two remaining scum in the first two nights???
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nmillar: .................<snip>................

But I already found the two remaining scum in the first two nights.
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flubbucket: How did you find the two remaining scum in the first two nights???
He jailed me and there was no NK which proves that I am scum. Then he failed to jail Darko, which proves that he is scum.

Actually, the Darko thing is indeed a bit interesting, as perpetual commuters are unlikely (plus, let's just say that if cspvg is town i wouldn't expect commuters to go on foot). But this may be verified through JMich's dangerous plan, at the cost of pre-determining a PR target for the night and offering a bit of oxygen to the mafia. Dangerous, but the alternative would be to lynch Darko, potentially offering to the mafia a kill they could not obtain at night.

Apart from that :

I'm still curious about why Nmillar and CSPVG are still alive. Nmillar's "the mafia would only nightkill certified townies because PR could be lynched some day at some point who knows" doesn't hold much water, and even though CSPVG's results were not spectacular so far, I'm surprised they'd take the chance to kill him only after a potential result. Either there is co-scumming, or the fear of a target being obvious enough for protection/surveillance ? Does it suffice as an explanation ?

Also, eyebrow raising at :

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Rodzaju: If I had to name my most likely suspects, I would say:
AMOK
P1na
Then, if a 4th, either CSVPG or Flub.
Yeah, so, that is #2=amok, #3=p1na, #4=either CSVPG or flub ?
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Telika: (plus, let's just say that if cspvg is town i wouldn't expect commuters to go on foot)
I seem to be missing a reference. Clarification requested.

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Telika: JMich's dangerous plan, at the cost of pre-determining a PR target for the night and offering a bit of oxygen to the mafia.
How is verifying (or condemning) darko different from verifying or condemning myself, or yourself, or anyone else? Only extra bonus scum have is that they know the self-proclaimed unreliable cop will not be targeting them.
Problem with CSPVG being the only one targeting darko was that he is a prime candidate for a night kill, but knowing this means he can be protected (not jailed) and/or watched. So not sure how much oxygen is given to scum.
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Telika: (plus, let's just say that if cspvg is town i wouldn't expect commuters to go on foot)
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JMich: I seem to be missing a reference. Clarification requested.
Could it be the fresh ski tracks appearing each morning?
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Telika: (plus, let's just say that if cspvg is town i wouldn't expect commuters to go on foot)
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JMich: I seem to be missing a reference. Clarification requested.
I am not allowed to mention everything that cspvg said during day 1.

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JMich: How is verifying (or condemning) darko different from verifying or condemning myself, or yourself, or anyone else? Only extra bonus scum have is that they know the self-proclaimed unreliable cop will not be targeting them. Problem with CSPVG being the only one targeting darko was that he is a prime candidate for a night kill, but knowing this means he can be protected (not jailed) and/or watched. So not sure how much oxygen is given to scum.
The mafia will know that probably all townies PR will be focused on darko and/or cspvg. If none of these are mafia, they have a tranquil night ahead.
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Telika: The mafia will know that probably all townies PR will be focused on darko and/or cspvg. If none of these are mafia, they have a tranquil night ahead.
Ah, so the objection is that you fear all PR will be focused on those. Well, if we didn't have claimed PRs, that may have been the case, but currently it is quite possible that not all will be focused there. Wait and see though, wait and see.