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Posted February 25, 2014
For the first point : I think spf referred to amok's earlier claim of sniffing truth, or something like that. Check chronology ?

For the second point : One thing that had struck me is that nmillar looked all "convinced" that I was mafia, and when I went "okay lynch me and if I flip town lynch him", he didn't look so keen on it. I mean, when Pazzer made his "case" on you, you immediately suggested something similar. When a townie is sure of a player's guilt, especially at the beginning of the game, self-sacrificing (or accepting to be lynched) in order to be confirmed town, and to take down the alternative in the next night, is what I expect. And I wouldn't expect that from a mafioso (except in some manipulative "dare"). What I'm getting at is that, if Nmillar was town, I think he would have gone "okay, or lynch me and if I flip town then lynch him". Or at least "okay, lynch me the next day if he flips town". Especially with the level of certitude he was showing...
Posted February 25, 2014
Prior to your offer/vote there had been no conversation nor posts considering you as anything relevant to previous nights activities.

#695 mentions you as on scum team.

Also OT ...Post #663 pretty much clears up the Zchinque mystery for me.

I do find nmillar's willingness to come forward with his error regarding Red_Baron admirable and something he could have easily hidden or kept up the lie about...possibly.

I think I merely corn-fusing myself. Come to me bourbon my love!!!!
Posted February 25, 2014
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Telika: What I'm getting at is that, if Nmillar was town, I think he would have gone "okay, or lynch me and if I flip town then lynch him". Or at least "okay, lynch me the next day if he flips town". Especially with the level of certitude he was showing...
I disagree. Purely on a selfish basis, I want to survive and play the game as long as possible. To that end, I hope to block the mafia from carrying out their kill every night I remain alive. I'm very likely to die tonight, as I believe Darko is a mafia strongman and will target me tonight. A town commuter with unlimited immunity seems far too over-powered, especially considering the other town roles that have already claimed (though I can only be sure of my own).
Posted February 25, 2014
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nmillar: I disagree. Purely on a selfish basis, I want to survive and play the game as long as possible.
We all want it, and dying is annoying for all of us. But the goal of the game is not this, the goal is to have one's team win (unless you're neutral), and sometimes it comes at that cost. A lower cost for a crowded town side than for a small mafia team.

Anyway that's not even the point, Because if you were actually believing that I was scum (at that time you were claiming 1/152 chances of me being town, or something like that?), you could have gone "lynch him and lynch me next if he flips town" without jeopardizing very much your survival chances, couldn't you ?
Posted February 25, 2014
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Telika: Anyway that's not even the point, Because if you were actually believing that I was scum (at that time you were claiming 1/152 chances of me being town, or something like that?), you could have gone "lynch him and lynch me next if he flips town" without jeopardizing very much your survival chances, couldn't you ?
Yes, I believed (and still do believe) that you are scum. However, I'm not immune to being wrong - it's still possible that we could both be town, so why would I take the risk of sacrificing two town members because of my (possibly) wrong belief?
Posted February 25, 2014
Hmmm......

I've never seen Nmillar waver in his conviction before.
I've also never seen him play scum.

I am inclined to believe him but there do appear to be cracks forming...
Posted February 25, 2014
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nmillar: I'm very likely to die tonight, as I believe Darko is a mafia strongman and will target me tonight.
It's saying things like that that make me believe Telika might have a point about you. You do realize this is Day 3, right? You claimed on Day 2 and you're still alive, not to mention that you claim to have targeted scum twice in a row. Or do you now believe that we're dealing with a 2-person scum team and by lynching me today you will magically be safe during the night?
Anyway, welcome back.

And a question to anyone that can answer:
Does anyone have an item in their info that P1na could steal, but isn't scent-based? Without being too specific about the nature of the item, please.
Posted February 25, 2014
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Telika: Anyway that's not even the point, Because if you were actually believing that I was scum (at that time you were claiming 1/152 chances of me being town, or something like that?), you could have gone "lynch him and lynch me next if he flips town" without jeopardizing very much your survival chances, couldn't you ?
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nmillar: Yes, I believed (and still do believe) that you are scum. However, I'm not immune to being wrong - it's still possible that we could both be town, so why would I take the risk of sacrificing two town members because of my (possibly) wrong belief?
I am not speaking about now. I do consider you scum, enough to vote for you (I think) but not enough to bet my life -or two players- on it. Mostly because of your admission of miscalculation (yet, it didn't change your point of view, magically), and because of one element I'm less sure about (your original untold unspeakable argument about twilightbard and robbeasy, which I had remembered as being about spf instead).

BUT, at that time, you were claiming certitude, giving more than one-on-hundred statistical chances, and using adverbs expressing certitude. So, if you were honest then, you probably wouln't have considered the risk of being wrong as determining as that. What, 1/152 chances of being wrong, so, chickening out ?
Posted February 25, 2014
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DarkoD13: Does anyone have an item in their info that P1na could steal, but isn't scent-based? Without being too specific about the nature of the item, please.
Talcum isn't scent-based.
Posted February 25, 2014
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Telika: BUT, at that time, you were claiming certitude, giving more than one-on-hundred statistical chances, and using adverbs expressing certitude. So, if you were honest then, you probably wouln't have considered the risk of being wrong as determining as that. What, 1/152 chances of being wrong, so, chickening out ?
Before JMich's maths lesson, then maybe I could have done the whole sacrificial thing, but by that point you'd already done that, so me doing it as well would have seemed a bit hollow.

As of now, you are still one of the most likely candidates - there's been no explanation yet as to the lack of a night kill on night 1 - but I see DarkoD13 as a more important avenue to pursue as he very well could be a mafia strongarm, which is very dangerous for my survival chances.

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Rodzaju: I've also never seen him play scum.
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Rodzaju: There was a previous game when Me & Nmillar went all out to lynch each other.
You're scum AGAIN?!? :/
Posted February 25, 2014
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Telika: BUT, at that time, you were claiming certitude, giving more than one-on-hundred statistical chances, and using adverbs expressing certitude. So, if you were honest then, you probably wouln't have considered the risk of being wrong as determining as that. What, 1/152 chances of being wrong, so, chickening out ?
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nmillar: Before JMich's maths lesson, then maybe I could have done the whole sacrificial thing, but by that point you'd already done that, so me doing it as well would have seemed a bit hollow.

As of now, you are still one of the most likely candidates - there's been no explanation yet as to the lack of a night kill on night 1 - but I see DarkoD13 as a more important avenue to pursue as he very well could be a mafia strongarm, which is very dangerous for my survival chances.

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Rodzaju: There was a previous game when Me & Nmillar went all out to lynch each other.
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nmillar: You're scum AGAIN?!? :/
Interesting how you completely ignore me until I start to question my belief in your towniness.
OMGUS much?
Posted February 25, 2014
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Telika: Talcum isn't scent-based.
Then again it's the property of the guy doing the smelling. No point in you smelling yourself.
Posted February 25, 2014
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Telika: Talcum isn't scent-based.
Then:
"Does anyone have an item in their info that P1na could steal, is one whole item, but isn't scent-based?"
since I guess you could say he could drop some of the powder from the jar. I can't think of a better way of putting that question.
Posted February 25, 2014
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Rodzaju: Interesting how you completely ignore me until I start to question my belief in your towniness.
OMGUS much?
I was simply pointing out your contradiction. And you have a suspicious beard.
Posted February 25, 2014
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Rodzaju: Interesting how you completely ignore me until I start to question my belief in your towniness.
OMGUS much?
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nmillar: I was simply pointing out your contradiction. And you have a suspicious beard.
You are right.

Complete blonde moment!

And I have had a shave or 2 since we last met ;p
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