Thanks nmillar :D Well I managed to write nightkill when I meant nightaciton.. and that he might have another reason for not being able to be targeted even if it makes sense.

A commuter cannot be night killed. A mafia commuter cannot do a night kill. A neutral commuter may or may not be beneficial to town. A survivor commuter may also be beneficial to town.

As for the wasted night action, it depends whose action it will be, doesn't it? nmillar has already said that he can't target Darko, but he's not the only one. Assume the inspector looking into Darko, or CSPVG. Assume a watcher takes a look at him, or a tracker. I agree that the doctor's action (should we have any) should be spent elsewhere though, since a scum Darko won't be killed, and neither will a commuting Darko. The result of "He is untargetable" does depend on who gives us said result, since it would identify them as a PR.

However, should CSPVG investigate Darko, he won't be revealing his PR due to said action, because he has already revealed it. Then we move on to whether CSPVG can be protected without being watched, and should he be the one to be protected after all.
But then it moves too much into WIFOM.

And there is also the problem that nmillar is currently the one with the most believable claim, while CSPVG is less so, hence I believe there could be some potential risk of making it a confirm both case, since DarkoD13 from what I understood doesn't have a choice, but to commute nor does he gain any notice that someone targeted him, hence we would only have CSPVG's word for it and he could just claim he weren't there, assuming he like nmillar doesn't get any flavor.

At any rate if nmillar get flavor when normally jailing people I could be interested in having him jail those we suspect the most, which might even be myself, however thats a different discussion.

nmillar claimed jailer on Day 2, CSPVG confirmed said claim. So far, both are in agreement.
nmillar claimed inability to target Darko, Darko said that is true. Still both in agreement.
If CSPVG also returns a "Target unavailable" on Darko, that means 3 people are in agreement, and we already have a dead scum. I doubt we have a 4 scum team, so at least one of the claims will be true.

Let's assume only one of them is telling the truth:
If only Darko's claim is true, it tells us nothing about either nmillar or CSPVG. However, for both of them to lie about it means that they are the scum team.
If only nmillar is telling the truth, then Darko cannot be a commuter, so he is a strongman, and CSPVG will have to lie about it. So Darko and CSPVG are the two scum buddies.
If both Darko and nmillar are lying, then CSPVG should be able to get a result, and we already know that there is a jailer, probably nmillar. So again, we have shortened our suspect list to two, nmillar and Darko.

If Darko and nmillar are telling the truth, CSPVG will have to get a result on Darko. If nmillar couldn't jail Darko, and CSPVG cannot investigate him, Darko is quite likely a commuter. If CSPVG can investigate Darko, and nmillar couldn't jail him, then Darko is more likely than not a strongman.

In all cases, CSPVG investigating Darko would give us quite a bit of information, that a later lynch of any of those three could clear or condemn the others.

However, we do need CSPVG to submit a night action, and be able to report back. Not sure how likely that is.

So you want to lynch the commuter? Seems logical, completely ignoring the fact that we didn't have a nightkill on night 1.

It will probably only work if CSPVG is protected by a doctor, if we have one.
My role info specifically defines my commuting as immunity to night actions. The only thing that I can't explain so far and could have something to do with my being too powerful to be NKed is the number picking.

Being watched would also prove beneficial, though a watcher could watch either CSPVG to see if someone visits him, or you and take CSPVG's place. And while a tracker wouldn't be that good at making sure we know who went after CSPVG, he could see if you visit someone other than the woods.

I don't really favour the idea of a mass-target of DarkoD13. I believe that our power roles should instead cast the net a little wider, and investigate more people. However, I wouldn't mind one or two power roles performing the action, and I certainly wouldn't mind targeting DarkoD13, as his claim already peaked my interest.

Having said that, I find a commuter with no restrictions an unlikely role. Darko, are you sure that your PM doesn't specify any limitations? Isn't there something like I can only find solace in the woods so many times, or something similar?

Telika- Your latest line of questioning is baffling to me, really. I don't see how any of this helps at this stage, as it would have been most useful during the first day, when such things could have been discussed openly. However, if you would like to know, the gender of the person mentioned in my PM is that of a Miss Harriet Franks.

No NK on night one is not relevant to your claim.

It is a question of balance. Since you claim to be able to jump out the window every night without limits you are invulnerable except to lynch. What mafia role balances that out?? Would a thief be able to steal your power for a night or capture you or some such??

You see the dilemma. I'm quite sure I'm missing some angle, or perhaps mafia attempted to NK you on Night One is that your postulation??

I's hard to develop with these questionable rules. But whatever.

1) I don't know if it's a language issue, but i believed that someone had been hiding in a cupboard (or something like that) during the murder. This sounded like a strange alibi, especially given by someone who thought it wouldn't be checked. But I couldn't ask confirmation (the confirmation i expected was "oh yes, it's true, because i was doing this/that"), because it as about an unidentified person. Now that the person had identified him/herself, I hoped to more or less indireclty clarify this point. I didn't.

2) Some infos we can't share seem backed, in our PM flavor, by some contextualisation. Some reason. I expected the reason to clarify the gender. I could tell the gender of the people mentionned in my PM's secret lines just by what the general text tells me about them.

I'm moving to Slovakia tomorrow, and suddenly there's all kinds of things my colleagues need me to do before leaving. Which is annoying considering I've been in Belgium for almost a month now. Either way, I might not have much time to post or joke around during the next few days. Ping me via reply or whatever if there's a particular thing I need to check, as I will be checking GOG regularly despite it all.

That would be my guess. I wasn't aware that I wouldn't get any kind of flavor when being targeted, but after nmillar's attempt to jail me, I'm beginning to think that there is a real possibility I was the night 1 NK target since:
1) I don't believe Telika to be scum
2) No second roleblocker has come forward (possibly explaining the lack of NK)


Like I've said before, I'm hardly an expert on balance issues. But I do have a couple of thoughts (highly theoretical) based on what I've seen so far for things that could get me killed:
a) A lyncher-type character that has me as a target (either me, my character name or the actual power role)
b) Something related to the number picking could leave me vulnerable to NKs. There's nothing about it in my PM though and obviously I have no idea how that would translate into a mafia role/action.


Nope.

Telika had been voted for by nobody
JMich had been voted for by nobody.
Flubbucket had been voted for by nobody
Vitek had been voted for by nobody
p1na had been voted for by nobody.
amok had been voted for by red_baron.
DarkoD13 had been voted for by nmillar
CSPVG had been voted for by nobody.
Rodzaju had been voted for by nobody.
nmillar had been voted for by nobody
Red_Baron had been voted for by Vitek, amok
and, yes!
There is no-one else.

meaning that Red_Baron was just FOUR votes away from being lynched! It was like a bad dream!!
While that was going on Rodzaju, and CSPVG, and JMich and Telika, and DarkoD13. P1na flubbucket were conspicuous in that they had voted for nobody at all!

Deadline 28th Feb

Considering I've only read the first 3 pages of the thread, I'd say it would be more conspicuous if I HAD voted...

Anyway, I'll catch up when I can.
In the meantime, hi everybody.