Then the answer is no - my role PM doesn't mention where I am at the time of the murder.

That's nice of you that you mostly waited for me to return. I appreciate it. :-p

Oh, that's really "good" reasons to disregard him.
No, I don't think Telika ever voted for amok, vertainly not when you urged everyone to do so.
EDIT: OK, I looked and, besides shortly voting himself, only person Telika ever voted is nmillar.


Dude, come on. You can't believe this yourself. "appeared to be against him"? "did vote for you and I am just unsure if he was considering you already dead"?
Have you followed this game so far? Those are such a big understatements that I find it hardly possible you believe them yourself.
SPF spent all D1 going after amok and half of Day 2 until nmillar came up as better target (because he claimed Telika is scum and he is jailkeeper). He argued with him constantly and did little else. Is that what you would call adequate bussing?

What are you trying to show by the fact that people voted amok in the past? That it nullifies fact that SPF went as crazy after him?

So your vote on amok who you do even consider scum so much anymore is going to help us with that actual scum hunting? How exactly?
That's the active way of scum hunting you demand form me and hopefully others as well?

I'm now of the opinion that DarkoD13 and Telika are our remaining scum. This latest line of questioning seems to be some kind of smear campaign.

The fact that I appear when called, and I haven't (yet) entered any huge arguments?

Lack of argument is actually reason I am bored, thus not trying to nitpick, but that doesn't excuse my playing (or lack thereof).

As for going after Darko though, wouldn't it be better to wait another night, and see if anyone else can collaborate the untargetable of him? Him being a commuter means that no one should be able to target him, and getting a second "Couldn't target him" would solidify him as town. There are (probably) some obvious flaws in the plan though.

Like carrying out the night kill again?

If Darko is scum and we lynch him today, there will still be someone to do a night kill, assuming there is a 3 person scum team. While a strongman may be immune to jailing though, he would not be immune to copping, tracking, watching or doctoring, even if those abilities may be ineffective against him. A commuter though would be untargettable, and not sure if we there can be scum commuters.
So no, having Darko carry out the night kill today is not something I consider an obvious flaw, since it does mean he gets lynched tomorrow.

This makes sense but requires predecided targetting, plus some new roleclaiming 8and that's if there are sch roles available). These may be the flaws you had in mind ?

We already have one claimed role, though he could be targeted tonight. We should also have at least one more role available, the Inspector. I also find it quite possible that we will do have more than three roles.

Yes, so, you're programming :

1) people to openly target darko (and leave others in peace)

2) the unclaimed roles (if there are any) to claim.

That's two strong gifts to mafia. Who does the cost/benefit balance profit to ?

Suggesting, not programming. And thus the discussion, so I can be told that I'm being silly and I make a mess out of everything ;)

We have one PR that should be able to target others, since he seems to be ineffective against Darko. We may also have other PRs who have targeted Darko before, and are can already answer if Darko is commuter or not, but do not wish to do so yet. They may even ignore the suggestion completely, thus leave us to our current situation, though we will be a few people shorter tomorrow.

What we stand to gain? Verification that Darko is actually a commuter, thus immune to night kill, and someone who could win the game. Or proof that Darko lied about being a commuter and should be lynched, since he most likely is a strongman. If he gets lynched and is neither a commuter, nor a strongman, it also causes nmillar's (and CSPVG's) claims to look much scummier.

The mummy speaks....

I think that if Darko turns out actually a commuter, we will have gained very little, and possibly lost quite a bit (the town action will have been predecided so mafia would act tonight clearly knowing what to expect, plus they would get the potential remaining roles clarified).

As for who could claim to have targetted him the previous night, well, I think the mafia could have and I doubt they would mention it.

As said yesterday, I'm a bit doubtful (for statistical reasons) about having been targetted by three people (the jailer, the fart cop, and the killer). However, if a mafia kill was blocked elsewhere (an attempt on a commuter), then hings look less improbable. Personally, it also alleviates a problem I had with the idea of nmillar being mafia (if he jailed me, then why was there no kill, was it a framing plan?) : it makes it possible that the mafia jailed me and targetted someone else - someone they tried to jail tonight, after having failed to kill him last night.

But against this is my uncertainty on darko's claim : it doesn't "explain" some day 1 allegation that I'd have expected it to explain, and a full unrestricted commuter seems unusual, according to wikis.

Anyway, this is for now my interpretation of events. And they make me mostly expect a confirmation of Darko's role, which makes -at least- this "decide target and claim" a bit costly in terms of outcome probabilities...

Hmm I actually had the image that Telika was 'active with voting, but he is actually somewhat similar as you in regards to votes.

Well, I don't consider it unlikely that one scum would be willing to sacrifice another to appear better themselves, I've seen that occur before and due to the nature of why he gathered votes I have less trouble seeing that as one possible scenario. I made a mention of the others because I believed it indicated that he could be reasonably safe going with that lynch as some sort of safer approach or however to explain it. And SPF didn't really strike me as that much against amok, but I have also been rather persistent so I guess my view is somewhat biased.

Well, he is the elephant in the room, so he proves a distraction and he still haven't gained any of my trust nor do I believe him to be town. He is my in case option, while others who may arise during this day can prove to be my more immediate target.

I really don't get what Telika was trying to do with that either. I am not really that much for DarkoD13, he just haven't really struck me as suspect - even if he claims a very powerful role in regards to his own survival.

In the same line I wish the lurkers would be more active before I can reach a decision about it. For instance I wonder why nmillar survived the night being a known jailer and then there is the odd cop, both of which would be easier to get a handle on in the next day given the odds of them surviving again, however I would like to end the day by not lynching a town again, hence my current vote for amok and search for the perfect other option.

@JMich: One flaw would be that while it may prove the ability it doesn't really say anything else. He could be a survivor commuter for all we know and it is wasting a nightkill.

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