Your 1855 flavor intro PM holds no gendered info ? :-/

1855?

My role PM does not specify whether I am male or female. Frances is a female name though.

CSPVG please tell me what you know of Frances Page's gender.

Ahh

Ah, guess there was a reason that I hadn't considered, the fail of reading :P One thing I don't get though is why only amok? I get the vote for DarkoD13 (although his claim to be a commuter could explain it and I have pretty much believed him to be town for a while now) and I get the vote for amok, but why not Vitek or flubbucket who also jumped immediately on? At least Vitek and Amok have been rather consistently, if weirdly pursuing me from day 1.

Not exactly, something along the same lines of yours and nmillars discussion I believe. Should go back and check. Pre-Post Edit: Just remembered that part about flubbucket being his lynch target, thus making it likely that flub is town.

Glad to hear you liked it, ,I always strive to maintain some image of sanity in the persona I am using.

Hmm, so now we got to my knowledge:

A Jailer
A lyncher
A Reflector
A commuter (and a good one of that)
A cop (Who suspects that he isn't reliable)

I want to say that while the claim makes good sense, claiming that type of unlimited commuter would also not be a bad move for a scum, though I don't really believe that in this case. Primarily due to already believing DarkoD13 is town.

Now I just took a quick look back and noticed that Nmillar actually called amok on his false claim before he even admitted it was false. But that leads me to wonder.

I want amok lynched
Rob wanted amok lynched
DarkoD13 mentioned an interest in getting him lynched
nmillar has placed amok on his scum list

Any I missed? But that lead me to ask; we know he lied, we know he claimed neutral after admitting his lie (I believe), so could we get a real claim out of you(Amok)?

Also my scum list is pretty much the same, with one glaring difference, I removed nmillar from it :P But there is still more than 3 people on the scum team when I include my suspects. And as seen from SPF I have a tendency to get reads wrong, but still some on this list should really merit a lynch.
Vitek: He have not taken part in a single lynch and he has always been voting for me or another where his vote had zero influence, he have yet to make an actual case - but have been helpful sometimes. He defended Amok.
Amok: Did a lot to gather all info on day one, claiming he could use it for a role. While I don't mind having gotten those who shall not be named out on day one, I find the method suspect and believe in lynching liars. Furthermore he (to my knowledge) never claimed what he was, only that he lied. He has persistently tried to get my lynched and have yet to post a case against anyone. He has however taken part in lynches, though not much in discussions. He have been a target by SPF, which adds some in his favor.

flubbucket: Primarily on my suspect list due to not voting for Amok, his case against me on day 2, his willingness to vote for me.
Pre-Post Edit: However he was the lynch target of Pazzer, who was proven to be a lyncher, so if I am to trust the notion that was put forward that would make flub more likely to be town. HOWEVER: SPF was in favor of voting Pazzer over flubbucket, so I am not entirely convinced there. Flubbucket also claimed that he was a lyncher with his target being his "brother" Pazzer, however Pazzer sadly made no mention of this that I found (flubbuckets post: 1011).


So if I am to believe flubbucket town that would make the remaining scum on my list:
Vitek
Amok

However I almost find that too convenient, and I am still not convinced about flubbucket (and CSPVG's result aren't helping :P).

I have not claimed anything at all after admitting I lied

I'll take what I can get.

Since I was investigated and found to be in my room, my nefarious activities should be seen as nil (other than farting). Thanks for keepin' it real Joe!!

I said wrong in the previous post - I have claimed that I am female and that I am not on the list. But I have not claimed being neutral.

Ok, so you wanted to lynch flub today because pazzer's town flip meant that flub is maybe more likely to be town (slightly perhaps, but it's doubtful)? You even barely rememebered why is that but you declared me definite scum for wondering what so conclusive we will learn from pazzer's flip in regards to flub. (I am still waiting for that clear explanation why was pazzer's lynch so benefical in regards to flub ;-))
And why pazzer being lyncher means flub is more likely to be town but flub being lyncher didn't meant anything towards pazzer?

I like how you suddenly realised you need to factor SPF's flip and interactions into your reads after it was mentioned.

Also, pardon me, but what I jumped on?

Also, we are going to visit my parents this weekend so I am not sure if I'll be able to post through Saturday and Sunday.

How I suddenly realized it? I had two posts since we learned about him.. with one being a response to nmillar, the second being in regards to the suspects, where I use it as an argument against flubbucket that SPF preferred Pazzer over him. Keep in mind I preferred flubbucket.. So your point about me "suddenly realizing" is what? The only thing I suddenly realized while writing that post was in regards to the flub/Pazzer thing, before I went back to check.

Also I was in favor of lynching flubbucket, only making considerations after Pazzer revealed he was a lyncher to consider what we could gain. I argued against when you said nothing was to be gained extra from the Pazzer lynch, because I went by the notion that it made flubbucket more likely to be town if Pazzer was truthful, that did not mean I considered flubbucket definite town, nor that I preferred to lynch Pazzer. You seem to be missing the point that I, together with others who was already after flubbucket wanted to lynch him, being forced by deadline and thus had to hope of being able to resolve both.

So as conclusion it feels like you dismissed my points only to attempt to cast doubt. And that is the reason I find you scummy, because you take no part in active lynches and when someone makes a case you appear to ignore every argument only to focus on an aspect that you then dismiss. A town would be interested in discussing reactions and would not help cause a no lynch scenario. This is part of the reason why DarkoD13, Telika and Rob have(had) is on my town list, because they consider argument.

Case in point; you discuss what SPF did, then nmillar does his misread stunt, and without even looking back - considering what had happened, writing other argument you, Amok and flubucket instantly vote right after each other without any reasons - note who didn't act like that? Telika who asked me more questions, Darko who noted what SPF had written and also asked questions. So who have the apparent greatest interest in finding scum? Well sure as hell not those 3 who just jumped on what they thought was the easiest wagon and whom they have been trying to lynch without stating a case since day 1. Granted I been trying to lynch several of them since day one, but heck I am right :P

Off-topic: Have fun :D

In your first post you posted your scum list ignoring SPF's flip by putting nmillar at top spot and you backed down after you realised how SPF tried to get him lynched.
What do you think of SPF's actions towards amok and Telika? The other one mainly in regards of you clearing nmillar.
What about Telika not voting amok nor pazzer? But yeah, you're in love with him, so it's OK, right? :-p

I helped nolynch? Which one? That one where you wanted to lynch guy only because you thought he is neutral and I was not around at all or that one when you lynched the guy with perfectly matching story for his action to gain minor info on another player? I am sorry for not participating in silly lynches. I'll try my best next time. :-p
You know, if you payed attention to previous games you'd know I don't like participating in silly lynches for sake of only getting lynch. ;-) I learnt my lesson in old games. (G5, rushed lynch with looming deadline-->town, G10, rushed lynch just before deadline while we were on course to lynch scum-->town lynch, never again)

Also, you are critiquing (is it word in english?) how I am not participating in mislynches but it on the other hand highlights how you were on every larger wagon so far (amok, Zchinque, pazzer, flub) while you almost never expected your target to flip scum (maybe except flub).

The fact how you say I am only dismissing things is quite hillarious considering your respones to anything I accused you of were in line of "not true", "doesn't make me scum", "is not constructive", "means nothing", "there is no case", "can't be used", "you are unhelpful", "you were easily refuted", "have no reasons", "you were proven wrong (somewhere in past where no one will bother to look it up taht it never happpened)".

I wonder why you are so obssessed with me doing little while there are players like JMich who is hard to rememeber he plays at all. Or Pina, Twilight, CSPVG... but it makes me monster.

Do I understand it right that Telika and Darko are cool town guys because they didn't vote you and instead asked you question and I am not cool guy and town because I haven't asked you question and voted you abruptly after suspecting you whole game?
Okay, I guess. That's reasonable reasoning of reasons.

You know, they asked you questions about nmillar's claim because they wanted to determine your alignment from it. They question was in form, "can you answer it or should we vote you right now for this revelation?", because they probably haven't found you scummy before, while I voted you regardless that revelation and have determmined your affilition before that. ;-)

Ok so like whut?

No, I backed down because nmillar had admitted his blunder.. Thats a pretty big reason since the only reason I put him there was because I figured he was lying about his night-action thus would have to be scum. However since he admitted his blunder that changed things.
And thats what I am talking about when I say that I have yet to see a solid reason from you why you suspect me. When I praise others for asking questions that is in regards to their interest in discovering identities, you clearly weren't bothered to do that, same went for amok and flubbucket.

And yea, I took part in lynching Pazzer, not because I wanted, my target was flubbucket - but because it was my understanding that it would result in an action the next day and was better than no lynch. You had options to change the way the vote's were going, make convincing arguments for a case, but so far you have preferred just voting me and ignoring the power of your vote. Thats what I find scummy, that you are voting for me matters little, you could have done the same to anyone that I figured was town and it would have been the same. If you had said you wanted to lynch amok because he lied, well thats a solid reason right there. You've said that you want to lynch me because? You never actually said why... only dismissed some of my sentiments and ignored others, however any solid reason why? Do you dislike my willingness to hunt scum? My idea of lynching one who lied and have yet to post a reason as to why he lied? My way of changing opinion after new arguments that changes things arise? Really, even flubbucket have posted a case, one I disagreed with and argued against, but at least he stated some defined reasons. You however have not.

I do have to agree with you in one thing, I tend to forget players who lurk and posts next to nothing.

Anyway:

vote amok

We need to get rid of the elephant in the room, though I guess that could also be P1na (an option not due to lying or scummy behavior, but due to the unknown/crazy factor he represents (more harm than good I guess could be the reason)).

You have willingness to hunt scum? When do you plan to start then? :-p
And yes, idea of wanting to want lynch someone solely because he lied goes there too. Policy lynches are rarely good. I myself wanted to refute this point at least partially, thoug, by finding you acted in similar way in similar in older game as welll, but for some reason you forbid it to me and decided to ignore similarness of that situation.

I really need to go back and show when I explained you are scum so you would stop smearing me. If only I bothered... Hmm, maybe it will come.

Fair enough about nmilllar, though. I concede that to you.

You seem to have forgotten to answer some actual questions I posted in that last post, though. I know they are hidden in the shovel of garbage I usually post according to you so it's surely just misunderstanding.

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