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Posted February 07, 2014
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Vitek: Probablility/chance debate is boring.

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nmillar: I remember a previous game which had two lynchers (with each other as lynchees) - one was town aligned, one was mafia aligned. This confirms for me that one or the other is scum.
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Vitek: They were both town.
Must be thinking of a different game?
Posted February 07, 2014
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nmillar: Must be thinking of a different game?
Which one are you thinking then?
Posted February 07, 2014
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nmillar: Must be thinking of a different game?
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Vitek: Which one are you thinking then?
Sorry, the one I was thinking of was the one with the sisters.
Posted February 07, 2014
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flubbucket: pazzer's claim makes sense to me because I have to be in on a lynch of my "brother" as well. Makes sense he would want the same.

I am also in the Red_Baron camp wondering why the last vote is so difficult to get. As far as DarkoD13's comment...reread my posts and see my willingness to be lynched in order to prove my towniness and pazzer's false accusations. Your point is invalid.
Mine was the last vote.
As to my comment about your lurking: You post something generic about watching how people vote (thanks, Captain Obvious), go away for 13 hours, pop back up when I'm in the process of typing my vote in order to make another pointless post.
Not sure what point you're referring to. If pazzer is scum, I think it's highly likely you're also scum since I doubt he would risk such exposure otherwise. If he's town, you're probably not scum, but you could be either town or neutral. What's invalid?
Posted February 07, 2014
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nmillar: Sorry, the one I was thinking of was the one with the sisters.
What sisters? Only sisters I can recall were in last Joe's game. You didn't play in that one and the were both town.

@Darko; What? Why would pazzer do what he did if they were buddies?
Posted February 07, 2014
Sonva...just lost my damn post...So I'm making this quick

@Vitek: As loathe as I am to bring up Meta, I've started plenty of posts and sentences in game with Honestly, and have been town when I used them. Not really a make or break there.

@nmillar: I think this was already argued, but even if the lynchers were of opposing sides, Joe's games tend to feel like they have a lot of traps for those who rush in.

@Baron: 'Fools Rush in where Angels Fear to Tread'. I think this sums up my feelings for Joe games quite well. I don't think rushing to put a lynch down is as good of an idea as you think. But that's just my opinion, and I tend to see the demand for a hammer vote, which is most interestingly the one that people study the most, to be quite an interesting move, if you're Mafia. If Pazzer ends up flipping town I think you should be looked at very closely.
Posted February 07, 2014
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Vitek: @Darko; What? Why would pazzer do what he did if they were buddies?
It would establish one of them as town when the other is revealed to be scum. Risky, but profitable.
I can't see a scum going after a specific player this way without a really good reason.

Hasn't anyone pulled that off in all of the forum mafia games?
Posted February 07, 2014
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TwilightBard: @nmillar: I think this was already argued, but even if the lynchers were of opposing sides, Joe's games tend to feel like they have a lot of traps for those who rush in.
That's why I haven't voted.

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Vitek: What sisters? Only sisters I can recall were in last Joe's game. You didn't play in that one and the were both town.
I'm starting to think I may have made it up - am looking through the other games to see if I can find it.
Posted February 07, 2014
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TwilightBard: -snip-
@Baron: 'Fools Rush in where Angels Fear to Tread'. I think this sums up my feelings for Joe games quite well. I don't think rushing to put a lynch down is as good of an idea as you think. But that's just my opinion, and I tend to see the demand for a hammer vote, which is most interestingly the one that people study the most, to be quite an interesting move, if you're Mafia. If Pazzer ends up flipping town I think you should be looked at very closely.
Ah yes, I shouldn't rush when we have very few HOURS left until a no-lynch occur. That makes sense, instead we should waste time debating until we get a no-lynch yes, makes perfect sense. Also I am in fact not arguing that Pazzer is 100% scum, I am arguing that should he be truthful, thus town we will at least have indication about flub, and some facts to work with. In addition he could also flip scum, which would just also be perfect. Point is we need this lynch! And guess who ain't voting.. You.

Making arguments for not rushing when we have it at all set, with multiple claims from the lynch target, with potential gains outlined and a high risk of ending in no-lynch if nothing is done, is idiotic and I must admit I am just seeing a delay tactic at play here for not voting. Why if you want to take such a close look at me should he turn out town aren't you voting?!!

Oh and for the record, love how those most inclined to help with a no-lynch are for voting me :D

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Vitek: Using "honestly", another scum tell. Thanks fo telling us you were not honest before.
Coupled with previous "interesting". Dig deeper. Dig deeper.
Ah yes, such a constructive post right before deadline. And you refuted what? Nothing. Great, carry on then :D

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Telika: Not sure I get this. You validate pazzer's claim (making him more likely to be town) and you complain that he's not lynched yet (by the way I think he is, isn't he) ?
He is not... We are missing ONE VOTE.....

Heck if someone is afraid to hammer, then I'll gladly unvote - let them vote and then hammer. We don't need a no lynch, we should if town do everything in a power to avoid it. And we even have a situation where it will most likely be helpful for us to do.

Granted at least this situation is giving is some good clues as to who is scum..Vitek - but still we need to avoid this no-lynch.

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nmillar: What? SIrPrimalform brought it up in post 996 and JMich supported it in post 997. JoeSapphire's last post was post 990, before either anyone suggested the extension?
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I was thinking of Telika's post 970 - though upon re-reading I must agree that it does not state that Telika was asking in regards to extension, just the hour. However I still stand by that I find it unlikely that an extension will occur thus I only see high risk in waiting around hoping for it.
Posted February 07, 2014
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Telika: Not sure I get this. You validate pazzer's claim (making him more likely to be town) and you complain that he's not lynched yet (by the way I think he is, isn't he) ?
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Red_Baron: He is not... We are missing ONE VOTE.....
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"pazzer had been voted for by flubbucket, SirPrimalform Robbeasy and amok.
meaning that Pazzer was just FOUR votes away from a majority vote!!!"

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pazzer votes pazzer (1)
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p1na votes pazzer (2)
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cspvg votes pazzer (3)
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pazzer UNvotes pazzer (2)
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redbaron votes pazzer (3)
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darko votes pazzer (4)

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Posted February 07, 2014
Great, had power outage in whole block of buildings just when I posted last post. I lost at least 20 windows I had opened in Firefox!

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TwilightBard: @Vitek: As loathe as I am to bring up Meta, I've started plenty of posts and sentences in game with Honestly, and have been town when I used them. Not really a make or break there.
Yes, you did. You use it often so it doesn't mean anything. If you remember, someone tried to bring it up against you in one game and I defended you, by finding you do it in all game regardless of your alignment.But RB doesn't. So yeah.

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Red_Baron: Ah yes, such a constructive post right before deadline. And you refuted what? Nothing. Great, carry on then :D
It is constructive. I showed yet another reason why you are scum, that's what I'd call helpful.
What am I supposed to refute? You declared I am certain scum only because you say pazzer lynch will give us insight to flub affiliation while I say it won't. Is that what I am supposed to refute?
Posted February 07, 2014
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DarkoD13: ...............<snip>....................

What's invalid?
This point you keep rehashing of whatever outcome of whatever lynch of whatever player matters not. You still insist I'm still scum.

I point to my play all game and you have tunnel vision. I freely state again. Reread my posts where I said I should be lynched in order to garner information.

You are not reading for understanding, you are pushing an agenda. Scummy, quite scummy. Should I turn up dead, you will be suspected of the NK.
Posted February 07, 2014
Should I turn up dead you will be suspected for wearing panties.
Posted February 07, 2014
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Vitek: Great, had power outage in whole block of buildings just when I posted last post. I lost at least 20 windows I had opened in Firefox!

Yes, you did. You use it often so it doesn't mean anything. If you remember, someone tried to bring it up against you in one game and I defended you, by finding you do it in all game regardless of your alignment.But RB doesn't. So yeah.

It is constructive. I showed yet another reason why you are scum, that's what I'd call helpful.
What am I supposed to refute? You declared I am certain scum only because you say pazzer lynch will give us insight to flub affiliation while I say it won't. Is that what I am supposed to refute?
Damn that sucks. Anyway you have now declared that I only use the word honestly when scum?? What is that for a bullshit accusation. Even more so since I have no idea where you getting that from.

As for refuting a case, well you can ignore it - but that doesn't change the fact that we will have a better guess to flub's allignment when we know with certainty what Pazzer is. Saying otherwise is on a level of stupid that I know that you aren't, thus I am concluding that you can't refute it and are stuck with these inputs of "uhhh he says words, he must be scum" or "uhh he is playing differently from when he had only 1 hour a week to look at the game, he must be scum" so forth.
Yes we will not know for a fact what flubbuckets alignment is, however we will have a darn better chance of making the assumption that he is town when we know if Pazzer is truthful or not. Since currently we are dealing with two unknowns we have connected to each other and as I posted before with multiple drawing the conclusion that flubbucket is then more likely town, but we will only be able to draw that conclusion with some merit when we actually know for a fact what pazzer is. That is not just me "sayiing it" it is the fact of the matter. And that you have so far not taken part in any attempts to avoid no-lynch and have continued even with deadline so close to discuss me saying "honestly" or "interesting" is enough for me t declare you scum, given the time that is not constructive in the least and could easily be done the next day where we aren't in a rush, assuming I am still alive. So because I know you aren't this bad at being town, you must ergo not be town.


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Telika: 930
"pazzer had been voted for by flubbucket, SirPrimalform Robbeasy and amok.
meaning that Pazzer was just FOUR votes away from a majority vote!!!"

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You might very well be right - I forgot the latest by DarkoD
Posted February 07, 2014
So just before I thought I was going to have to pack it all in and pop off to bed I it happened. You see at that time

nmillar was voting for Telika, Telika was voting for nmillar, Vitek was voting for Red_Baron,
Twilightbard, JMich and pazzerwere conspicuous in that they had voted for nobody at all, and everybody else had voted for pazzer. Which meant that I got the deciding vote so I voted for pazzer as well and some of us went to find him some skis.

Once we'd found some we lifted him, rather ungently I have to admit, into them, opened the front door and just sort of let him go. He didn't seem to take to them particularly well. He shouted a few curses, very nearly fell over once or twice and then took off at a tremendous speed and ended up going rather hard into a pine dark pine tree. We couldn't really see what happened to him after that but no-one was willing to go and see if he was alright...

Well we all felt a bit bad for poor old Gabriel so we went to bed fairly sombre and wondering whether there really was a murderer at all.

pazzer has been lynched!! He was Gabriel Delaney, town lyncher
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