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CSPVG: Moving on: Amok gets some town points, at least in my book, for making a valid attempt to communicate with us using song lyrics. I would, however, like to ask him to answer the first question Joe posed him in post 631.
Sorry ....I missed you
Sorry I let you, make me feel so blue
I'm sorry....I missed you
Sorry I ever, thought twice about you
(Sorry...I missed you next time I promise , my aim, it'll be true)
Oh I'm sorry...I missed you
I'm sorry...I missed you
I'm sorry....I missed you

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JoeSapphire: It seems to have been instigated by Vitek. Is he really dead at all. Amok - did Vitek initiate this affliction? Amok - what can you tell us about Vitek?
He was my brother
Five years older than I
He was my brother
Twenty-three years old the day he died

Freedom rider
They cursed my brother to his face
“Go home, outsider,
This town is gonna be your buryin’ place

He was singin’ on his knees
An angry mob trailed along
They shot my brother dead
Because he hated what was wrong

He was my brother
Tears can’t bring him back to me
He, was my brother
And he died so his brothers could be free
He died so his brothers could be free
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CSPVG: Furthermore, Robbeasy has been acting suspect of late. In fact, starting with yesterday's hammer, he's been sketchy for quite some time. I do, however, find his," The mafia could have quicklynched Joe, so why haven't they?" logic to be, for the most part, convincing. I would, however, first like to have more conversation before we lynch someone.
Distance yourself from the pain that covers me
As I reach out for your hand to find there's nothing left for me
Razors kiss the vein overdose for pain
A 12 gauge cross kisses the forehead a savior in a shell
Sever me from the fall
Fuck the people, Fuck the world, Fuck it all
Open my arms
Bleed out the flood
In crimson I begin to drown
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CSPVG: Lastly, does anyone think that a mass claim would be of any benefit at this point?
as much as i definitely enjoy solitude
i wouldn't mind perhaps
spending little time with you
sometimes
sometimes

possibly maybe probably love

uncertainly excites me
baby
who knows what's going to happen?
lottery or car crash
or you'll join a cult

possibly maybe probably love
Okay so like should there be an award for this or something??

If you're scum I'm gonna shoot your girlfriend's cat!!!
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CSPVG: Lastly, does anyone think that a mass claim would be of any benefit at this point?
Could help yeah. At the moment I'd really like to hear more from gkaiser (reads, opinions on my reads, something!). He's far too quiet, could be just biding his time.
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CSPVG: Lastly, does anyone think that a mass claim would be of any benefit at this point?
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SirPrimalform: Could help yeah. At the moment I'd really like to hear more from gkaiser (reads, opinions on my reads, something!). He's far too quiet, could be just biding his time.
I've given the entire musical a re-read trying to scan for clues or anything of importance, but I found nothing of actual value.

So here's my thoughts so far:
- amok is crazy, good and frankly crazy good. I concur with SPF that he feels very 'town' right now.
- SPF is suspicious, but not necessarily at the top of the list.
- My mafia "dream team" is Joe, Rob and CSPVG right now. Out of those, Rob raises the most flags with me, mostly but not only due to the little vendetta he had going on with JMich. That argument also helped with...
- Vitek trying to interfere in a neutral, perhaps even beneficial way to guide the discussion away from the argument. Granted, he could've also done that to get the focus off of one of his mafia buddies, but I don't believe that. Yet.

What's to say? vote Robbeasy makes the most sense to me right now. That long, long verbal duel pretty much sold me on one of them being a bad guy.
I could tell from the moment you walked in the room
That it wasn't your dress you had on, that wasn't your perfume
And what happened to the ring that I gave you?
What am I to assume?

I love u, but I just don't trust u anymore

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Are you such a dreamer
To put the world to rights?
I'll stay home forever
Where two and two always makes a five

I'll lay down the tracks
Sandbag and hide
January has April showers
And two and two always makes a five

It's the devil's way now
There is no way out
You can scream and you can shout
It is too late now

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Vote CSPVG


I don't want no peace
I need equal rights and justice
I need equal rights and justice
I need equal rights and justice
Got to get it, equal rights and justice

Everybody want to go to heaven
But nobody want to die, Father of the Jesus
Everybody want to go up to heaven
But none of them, none of them want to die

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I'm a waitin' on Joe, whaddya know.
Time flies fast and he is slower than a.....
I told him over and over: "Now don't you be late."
Ah, but like always,
I'm just sittin' on go,
And waitin' on Joe.
Yeah.
You know what?

Sometimes I despair with this game....there are at least 4 town players here and we are making a right horlicks of this.

Being led by the nose by mafia types who are laughing their heads off at us.

Joe - sat on two votes, Mafia could have stepped in and killed him easily , but didn't. Why?

SPF throwing out mud to diss that theiory as fast as he could, and now Gkaiser steps in with support for SPF.

i'm town, I'm thinking CSPVG is town because of his claim in day 1, which was convincing, and the fact it was confirmed by Jmich, who flipped Town. Mafia Motivator??? Not likely. So - me and CSPVG both Town, both with votes on Joe. he wasn't hammered. Why people cant see this for what it is is beyond me. there can be only one reason he wasn't hammered!!! MAFIA WIN IF THEY LYNCH TOWN, remember!

But it seems I'm the one getting the heat, so feck it - heres my claim, cos i'm tired of trying to convince people..

I am Laurent Mutoke, child soldier (Town Vigilante). My power can only manifest on even days however, and yes, I am the one responsible for the death of Vitek. My reasoning behind it was that he and Jmich had taken such opposing views that one of them had to be Mafia, so when Jmich flipped Town, I thought Vitek had to be a Mafia.

Your Mafia are JoeSapphire, Gkaiser, and SPF. my vote stays with Joe now, but i would happily move to either of the other two.
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Robbeasy: My power can only manifest on even days however, and yes, I am the one responsible for the death of Vitek. My reasoning behind it was that he and Jmich had taken such opposing views that one of them had to be Mafia, so when Jmich flipped Town, I thought Vitek had to be a Mafia.
Let's grow old together,
And die at the same time.
Let's grow old together,
And die at the same time.

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How did you know
That it would end up this way?
I need you close
Cause I can't see beyond today

????????????????????????
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amok: snip
a friendly flare
flash midair there
was a twinkle in your eye
a smoke signing in the sky
i feel deep
in love asleep
looking wide awake
like a wave that wouldn't break
sorry my mistake
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Telika: Lucien Bessomo, Cameroon sorcerer [Town roleblocker]
didn't escape his fate. As the passengers are temporarily expelled from the hold, and find themselves roaming on the deck, the sky darkens and a few drops of rain start hitting the floor.
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Robbeasy: Your Mafia are JoeSapphire, Gkaiser, and SPF. my vote stays with Joe now, but i would happily move to either of the other two.
Then he started in a-changing and he started rearranging
And I promise you this story is true (is true)
By the time it was done he was a human being through and through
Listen to Convincing John
And all your troubles will be gone
He's gonna tell it, spell it, sell it, (but don't eat it!)
Just for you


Unvote CSPVG
Hang on.

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Robbeasy: I am Laurent Mutoke, child soldier (Town Vigilante).
So you claim one of last night's kills. But wait a moment...

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Robbeasy: then 3 mafia votes would kill him off and its game over, if they managed 2 kills again tonight...
Here it looks an awful lot like you're saying both of the kills were done by the mafia. But that's strange, if the mafia did both of the kills then how could one of them have been y- Ohhhhhhhhhh that's right, you're mafia.

Ok, I'm going to be bold and say what I think has happened here. The mafia somehow managed two kills. I don't know how but maybe you do since you attribute them both to the mafia. I think you were responsible for one of them and fearing that you'd been tracked decided to claim vig.

Your claim just doesn't square with your earlier suggestion that both were mafia kills unless you are mafia. What town motivation would you have for doing this?
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Robbeasy: ..................<snip>....................

Yes in hindsight I should have held off but I was swinging towards Viteks side way before that and I really did believe Jmichs claim was rubbish - a sorceror who can bring bad luck is a Town player?? I flat didnt believe it and just felt it was the last straw.

Yes it means I hammered, and must take the inevitable heat for that as he flipped town, but at the time i was convinced.

Looking back at yesterday one thing jumps out and i cant understand why no-one else has seen it......we were already complaining about the number of blockers knocking about , and I for one was thinking someone must be lying.

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But you loved Vitek before, now you say you shot him?? Perhaps you used to love Joe, and now you will bus him as well??

I'm not trying to be out of context. But this is the moment, you understand, where games are made or broken.
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Robbeasy: ..................<snip>....................

Yes in hindsight I should have held off but I was swinging towards Viteks side way before that and I really did believe Jmichs claim was rubbish - a sorceror who can bring bad luck is a Town player?? I flat didnt believe it and just felt it was the last straw.

Yes it means I hammered, and must take the inevitable heat for that as he flipped town, but at the time i was convinced.

Looking back at yesterday one thing jumps out and i cant understand why no-one else has seen it......we were already complaining about the number of blockers knocking about , and I for one was thinking someone must be lying.

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flubbucket: But you loved Vitek before, now you say you shot him?? Perhaps you used to love Joe, and now you will bus him as well??

I'm not trying to be out of context. But this is the moment, you understand, where games are made or broken.
And , as I stated, I thought Vitek was right, yes, right up until the moment Jmich flipped Town. My reasoning then was that as they had opposing views, and I had got my read on Jmich wrong, Vitek must be the baddy of the argument.
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SirPrimalform: Hang on.

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Robbeasy: I am Laurent Mutoke, child soldier (Town Vigilante).
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SirPrimalform: So you claim one of last night's kills. But wait a moment...

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Robbeasy: then 3 mafia votes would kill him off and its game over, if they managed 2 kills again tonight...
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SirPrimalform: Here it looks an awful lot like you're saying both of the kills were done by the mafia. But that's strange, if the mafia did both of the kills then how could one of them have been y- Ohhhhhhhhhh that's right, you're mafia.

Ok, I'm going to be bold and say what I think has happened here. The mafia somehow managed two kills. I don't know how but maybe you do since you attribute them both to the mafia. I think you were responsible for one of them and fearing that you'd been tracked decided to claim vig.

Your claim just doesn't square with your earlier suggestion that both were mafia kills unless you are mafia. What town motivation would you have for doing this?
Its game over with just one night kill - as you yourself rightly pointed out.

If I were Mafia, would I really not be aware how many more I needed to win? Funny how you know the figures...

Whats to say the Mafia can't make two kills in the night? - I just used it to get my point across about Joe, which i see you are still doing your damndest to rubbish.
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amok: ????
Not me.

Sorry again for delays.

Rob's reason for putting me at L-2 was CSPVG's argument that if there was a vigilante and I had been blocked on night 1 then I must have been prevented from killing. Now he says that he is the vigilante. He was trying to engineer a quicklynch. It probably means that CSPVG MUST be mafia, or else his teammates were too cautious to attempt it (I'ld guess Sprimal and gkaiser in that case? Who are bussing him now?)

Rob tried to get me lynched. He also lied. I don't think that I'm just being petty when I vote Robbeasy