It's fairly similar, but then I, fool that I am, described my flavour point-by-point earlier. Even listing the nightmare.
The dreams themselves though are entirely different. That's something.


All - If it IS between JMich and CSPVG wouldn't it be better to lynch a mafia roleblocker than a whatever-CSPVG-really-is-including-the-possibility-of-being-a-Town-Motivator? There's thinking for you!

When you say that's something, do you mean it makes it seem more made up or less made up?

Hmm, I'm more suspicious of CSPVG what with his spontaneous claiming and then mysterious extra PM that he forgot about until now. I do see your point though, if they are both mafia the roleblocker sounds more dangerous.

Hey, I said it first. :-p

Amok, Darko, don't you have anything to say about current sitaution. I don't like when poeple are clearly around, something quite big is going on, and it gets completely ignored by some even if they post.

Like what? I still prefer CSPVG. Correcting Robbeasy and immediately disappearing before the deadline and then his sudden claim are too overwhelming to ignore, not to mention we've established that a Mafia Motivator can exist (no matter how unlikely) and can target townies. I can see the case against JMich because of the convenience of how the motivation-blocking allegedly happened, but I'm not convinced that his role is necessarily Mafia just because he has voodoo powers (or whatever that is).

I felt like yesterday CSPVG's "oh, I actually got second PM and it checks out with JMich's story" deserves comment from everyone.

CSPVG, JMich, could you please provide your scum lists?

So you believe their fates are now intertwined? Could it not just be CSPVG withholding information?

Yes to first question.
If JMich is scum, there is zero chance for CSPVG to be town. I don't see why would town!CSPVG do what he did and how it could work.
If CSPVG flips scum, then there is slight but very minor chance for JMich to not be scum.

Eh, I was trying to work out better answer and find the truth there but I got overwhelmed with it and am too tired now so I need to give it another shot tomorrow.

@Telika; could we get votecount? I am getting lost in votes. To tell truth, I am lost in them 95% of time we play, but this time I am even lostier. :-)

0 vote for SirPrimalform
3 votes for CSPVG - by DarkoD13, SirPrimalform and Robbeasy
0 vote for Vitek
0 vote for amok
2 votes for JMich - by Vitek and JoeSapphire
0 vote for Robbeasy
0 vote for JoeSapphire
0 vote for gkaiser
0 vote for DarkoD13
1 vote for flubbucket - by amok

CSPVG, gkaiser, flubbucket and JMich are currently not voting

With 10 players left, a lynch is decided at 6 votes.

Humor me. Assume I do flip scum. Why is there zero chance for CSPVG to be town? Couldn't he have motivated me unwillingly, and me block him as well? How does my alignment determine CSPVG's alignment?

First in my scum list is you (Vitek). The fact that you can't accept the possibility of having 3 blockers for town, along with the reasons I said during day 1.
Second in the list JoeSapphire. Mainly because of Vitek trying to clear him, ignoring the possibility that the roleblocker may be town. It does make me wonder if Vitek will go claiming that the jailkeeper is mafia should (when?) I flip town.
Third on the list remains CSPVG, though quite lower at this point. He claimed out of the blue (out of love? not sure), and the day 1 reasons still stand.

Problem is, you can't all be scum unless we have 4 mafia. I know Joe was blocked, I know I was motivated, and I do believe Vitek was jailed. So seeing that we had a kill, it must have been done by someone else (no shit). I do feel like some people haven't participated in any of the day 2 discussions, though it may be that I haven't payed as much attention as I should.

I don't like it. I do thin RSVP is scum, possibly JMIch also (I had that feeling about JMich since the start). RSVP's strange claims moved him to the second of my list, but I do not have much to add to the reasoning except agree so far.

However - I still have flub on top, and his nonsical posts have not helped at all...

Surely since you know your alignment, that question is irrelevant unless you actually are scum. On top of that, it does rather sound like you're trying to help CS3PO out when you inevitably to flip scum and reduce the heat on him there. In fact, that was enough to shift you above him on my list.

Unvote CSPVG, vote JMich.

I do know my alignment. But I still don't see how a scum flip by me means CSPVG is scum. So I do want a "JMich being scum means he lied about A or B, thus CSPVG couldn't have done X, ergo CSPVG is scum".
What I currently see Vitek doing is the following
1) Joe is town. His blocker is mafia. No other possibility
2) JMich claimed to have blocked Joe. Thus he is scum. No other possibility.
3) CSPVG is backing JMich claims. So they must be scum buddies.


I have asked him if it's possible for Joe to have been blocked by town. His answer? post 523. That reads to me as "Impossible. I can't be wrong". He also ignored the question in post 526, which doesn't seem to work with his theory.

I do not clear you at all, I do think that you are 1 out of 3 scum, but yes, this argument do not work for me either. You where talking hypothetically about alignments, so it was fair to say so. I do feel SPF did jump the gun a little in that reasoning.

However, I would happily get behind a wagon of either you, RSVP or Flub :)

@JMich's 552; Seriously guy, that's not true at all. The fact Joe is town doesn't make you scum. It's the reverse so your whole process is made up. The fact you are scum make Joe town. It's not step 1 but step 4. But shit like this make you scum. Please everyone read my posts and tell me if I really went this way.
In case you don't rememeber I called you scum on first page of this game and it had nothing to do with your block claim.

I said CSPVG is scum if you are because in that case I see no way he suddenly remembered being blocked by you when you claimed second block on him. There is little reason for town!CSPVG to not claim the block from other player. And there is no reason for scum!CSPVG to not claim it if he was targeted by someone else than his buddy. If he knew it came from town, it

About 526; I first missed it, as you posted it right before me and then I felt like it answered itself with CSPVG. There is easy explanation what could happen to other block if you are both scum. It never existed as you choose not to use it. Nothing more to speculate.
But while we are blaming people for ignoring questions,I asked you some about your case against CSPVG 20 days ago and I don't think you ever answered or even scknowledged them. So please don't try to blame people for not answering. Than you very much.

About 549; If you would flip town, then I would indeed have to change my view about town jailkeeper. Is there something strange about it. I also find it interesting how you used "when" only in brackets and with question mark. Are you unsure yourself what you will flip? o_O

One more thing I noticed right before posting this.
You say that you asked me "if it's possible for Joe to have been blocked by town" and I answered "http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_18_asylum_mafia/post523]@post 519; No, I believe Joe was blocked by mafia, CSPVG motivated you and you are scum who blocked Joe. I think I said it already.
Sorry, path to enilghtenment is reserved only to people who are true in faith and unfortunately you are not one[/url]."
But is that really answer to question if it's possible for Joe to have been blocked by town? It quite looks like it's answer to this. To you asking if you are all lying or only you.


And after I said all this, I am going to contradict myself and tell you what held me back yesterday and puts dent into CSPVG+JMich scum team theory and why I wasn't able to finish that post convincingly yesternight. It's actually CSPVG's first claim post. He says there:

Now, if they were both scum, would he really try to explain block against me by claiming and giving out his buddy roleblocker? I mean, it would be easy to disprove I was blocked by someone else.
Only option that comes to mind is that he wasn't aware who JMich is going to block and thought he really did block me, but right now the dynamics between them seem to be a bit off to me for them to be buddies.

Seriously, it's fucked up situation and I am getting lost in it over and over again. Every time I think it cleared itself, I meet some obstacle obfuscating it again. But maybe I am just overthinking it.


Hmm, after reading that claim again, it sounds even worse than before. He claimed because motivating of JMich because he wanted to explain the two blocks but then he doubts it himself in the very sentence. "Now, this does not necessarily mean that JMich is a blocker of some sort( there may be two blockers), but I do find the double block interesting because of this," sounds just awful for someone who claimed to explain that situation.
Also, CSPVG, what made you think JMich is investigative role?

I jumped a lot in this post, so please excuse if I messed up something.

@Telika; Thanks.