Additional question.

Why have you cleared Joe? Because he said he was blocked? Couldn't a town roleblocker have blocked him, and him jumping on the opportunity to say it to appear more townie? Doesn't the same apply to you?

That was it. The first theory is that Vitek was STILL mafia (despite QuadrAlien being not) and that he had done the goading of vigilante kill as a scummy tactic. I got bored of that when Vitek claimed to be blocked, but now I'm finding it more interesting again.
It's nice when someone sticks up for you in this game, but the feeling lasts about 0.6 seconds before waitwhat'syouranglehere?? kicks in.

My second Theory was that CPFVG and Robbeasy where a team. But then CP's claim makes sense (... even though
Rob is the one making it clearest the CP can't be mafia after the claim.
... and actually it was Rob had a go at me when I voted CPVG at the end of days...)

Okay both theories had been discarded but theorising about them cards them back.

NEW THEORY THREE:
I hypothesise that, if all the roleblockers claimed and told us who they blocked, them we would have a small pool of who-could-have-performed-the-kill-last-night, maginifying our chances of catching scum significantly DON'T DO THIS!!!

gkaiser has been officially prodded

So if we don't have a vigilante, a mafia jailkeeper is the same as a mafia roleblocker. You being jailed instead of blocked doesn't mean you were targeted by town, even though you were jailed. Yet you still say that you weren't targeted by mafia.

Allow me
In three different posts you say that Joe has to have been targeted by mafia. Would a scum block a fellow scum? If not, and Joe was blocked by scum, that means Joe is town. If Joe could be scum, he wouldn't be blocked by scum, but you don't consider that as a possibility. How is that not clearing Joe?


Never said you cleared yourself. But everything I said about Joe is also true for you. If a scum blocked you, it means you are town (or lying about being blocked), if a townie blocked you, you could be either one.

So you claim to have been blocked, Joe responds with a "Me too", yet you don't give us your blocking flavour until 1) Joe gave us his and 2) The one who had 2 actions (me) says that he didn't target you.

The first quote ("If it is truth, then Joe is either scum or certain town, because he was most likley blocked by mafia.") clearly says I am not clearing him, you even started this deabte over the fact that it tells nothing. The other two are just simplified to explain you my thoughts.
I would love to clear him (or anyone for that matter), but sadly it is not possible yet.

Of course. Except I am trying to bash into your head that I think I was blocked by town and that it means nothing and you keep doubting it. Yoe even said it at the start of this post.
So are you trying to clear me?

So?

Humor me. Work with the assumption that Joe was blocked by town.
Tell me what that says for Joe, and what that says for you.

So I was actually attempting to clear Joe because I didn't want him cleared at all and wanted to clear myself instead and saying I was blocked by town but I in fact meant he was blocked by town.
Is that what you are implying?

I'm implying you are muddying the waters. So I'll ask again, what is your analysis if Joe was blocked by town.

*rubs his head* ow, that hurt...

Now, with so few things having gone as expected so far... is it really that hard to picture a mafia jailkeeper? I realize it's very much so against classic dynamics, but I wouldn't rule it out.

A couple of assumptions, granted. One is that there were two roleblocks claimed. CSPVG claimed motivation of Jmich , who confirmed he used his power twice last night. I assumed at that point the power was some form of roleblock.

He hasn't confirmed or denied this. What he DID say was that he didnt target you. So - assuming his power was a roleblock of some description, yet he didnt target you, throws your claim of being roleblocked into queston, especially as there was a roleblock role killed in night one.

Like i said , whole load of roleblocking going on....

@amok - I'm pretty sure a roleblock would prevent a kill...

@gkaiser - lurking is a no-no! Scum points for you....

Interesting question, and one I was considering myself. I can see it work as a mafia role, actually, since it is both beneficial and not for them. One the one side - it is a roleblock, on the other - it prevents the target from being killed or targeted. This means that if the jailing is 'forced', then it means that the mafia jailer will also protect a player from being killed each night. However, it is also a it useless, as the mafia coordinates who they want to kill anyway, so that do not help much... it will stop a vigilante kill, though, so if there is known to be a vigilante in the game, and the mafia jailer targets a policeman, for example, it will stop him from investigating that night, but it also means he can not randomly be killed by the vigilante... I see no evidence anywhere that a jailer have to be town, in the same way as a doctor most likely have to be one.

Muddying with what?
I just, in one sentence, mentioned my current thoughts and you draw it into all-day argument.

Oooh, I am supposed to do deep analysis. I wonder why? Certainly it's not to show I am scummy.

So... if Joe was blocked by town then we wouldn't be able to clear him as towny on that basis. Hmmm, was that analytic enough.


I wonder what JMich has to say about this post and I also wonder why you trust his words blindly?

Wait, you mean it is possible to say that you don't think "jailkeeper block"="block coming from town" without making day-long argument from it and accusing people?
Nah, that sounds silly.

@gkaiser; Well to me it is hard (almost impossible) and it's not something I am willing to accept easily. But truth is, I am rigid player in this regard. And I am usually also right about these things. :-p

I initially thought you were saying that because QuadrAlien was a jailer only on even nights, but would any hypothetical action taken by QuadrAlien the night he was killed have been nullified by the nightkill?

Alien was a watcher when he was killed anyway... so whatever he did see he took to his grave. But I assume now that if was jailer, and he jailed his would be killer, then he could not have been killed. if that is what you mean.