Neither did I, but Vitek just showed an example of one.

Presumably only if he was the one doing the kill last night. And even then maybe not if we're going by what Darko said the wiki says.

Intent on lynching you? That's a bit paranoid. I placed my vote because I wanted to hear more about your reasoning. I kept my vote there when it turned out that your idea of "more" was to claim. Before I was curious, now I'd be happy to lynch you because the claim just seems like an attempt to be confirmed by JMich. And throw the heat off (when there wasn't even that much heat).

Well, you must be telling the truth about your role if JMich is telling the truth. If JMich is lying then he'd be scum and the only reason he'd have to lie is if you're also scum.
On the other hand if JMich is telling the truth then it means you are a motivator, just not necessarily town.

I think that at least one of you and JMich is scum, if not both, but it seems more likely that if it's just one of you then it'd be you.

It seems quite a lot like you came up with a hasty excuse
for the Robbeasy thing and when it was pointed out to you that it doesn't make sense you go "well it doesn't matter because I don't even think that any more!"*


*I'm not trying to say you said this, it's simply how what you actually said comes across to me.

So would lynching JMich or CSPVG do anything to clear the air??

indeed - and apologies everyone for not being around over the weekend - it disappeared in an alcohol and sports filled haze I'm afraid....

I'm furiously reading to catch up - hopefully post something meaningful later tonight.

As a constipated Watson told Holmes: "No shit Sherlock"

May I ask what leads you to this conclusion? Why do you suspect Joe was blocked by mafia and you weren't?

I fear not. No matter who is lynched, the affiliation of the other remains uncertain. Either one of us could be scum verifying a townie statement, both of us could be town, or both of us could be scum.
Curse you CSPVG for confounding me.

And curse you Joe as well for working on a theory that you never elaborated on.

OK - pretty much caught up, let me try to put what has happened today into one paragraph, then if I've missed anything someone can point it out to me...

Only wagon seems to be on CSPVG at moment, for an odd posting close to deadline yesterday.

Vitek up first with claim of being blocked. Joe also thinks he was blocked, then CSPVG comes forward and claims Town Motivator - with the extra action allowed in the same night, apparently, as JMich then comes forward to say he DID get an offer for second use of his power - which we assume was some sort of blocking role.

Jmich DOES assert that he didnt target Vitek however.

Hmmm, how to unravel this?...

CSPVG's claim, to me, has the ring of truth to it - the flavour is good, it makes sense. I'm inclined to believe him, the only point against him is that the claim was rather unprovoked...

So, for now lets assume CSPVG was telling the truth, and 'motivated' Jmich. it's been claimed already there were two blocks last night, which along with the reveal that the night kill was another blocking role, makes for a whole load of blocking going on...

Jmich confirms he did get another offer, but did not target Vitek. Vitek has described his block as being thrown into a room - asks Joe to give us flavour, obliged by Joe. Flavours differ, which leads vitek to assume yet another blocker - 'unlikely we were targeted by the same person'...

blimey - does that cover it?

OK thoughts....

CSPVG - claim was rather unprovoked, admitted to making it as was feeling uncomfortable about pressure - as vitek pointed out, a scummy move. However, your flavour rings true for me, i find it quite a powerful persuasion as to your Town-ness at this point.

Jmich - although quick to confirm you got a second offer to use your power, thereby giving credibility to CSPVG, you havent actually said what that power was - just assuming it was a roleblocking power of some sort.. I find it hard to believe two scum players would cook up a scheme like this - one gets found out, the other would be under immense pressure pretty quickly. As pointed out, lynching one does not necessarily verify the other, but establishing a link like that between the two of you would be a very high risk move, if you were Mafia...

Joe - Quick to also claim a block, straight after Vitek. Yours sounds completely different however, with comedy pratfalls and the like leading to you unable to fulfil your night actions (if you had any), whereas Vitek was actually bodily thrown into a metal room by a group of people.

Vitek - claimed a block pretty much out of the blue. After Jmich claims he didnt target him at all, he asks Joe for flavour so can compare and contrast to get differences. Differences duly arrive.

We did get a night-kill remember - so all this roleblocking , if it did go down, came to naught, as a kill was still made. I really don't like roleblock claims straight after a night-kill - practically shouting 'look, it cant have been me - i was roleblocked!!'

This , along with Jmich assertation that he didnt target Vitek at all, and Viteks claim of Role block completely out of the blue, leads me to

vote Vitek

This is on top of reasons from Day 1 (referring to town in third person etc etc)...

Really? I thought they blocked whatever that person was trying to do.

Editbeforepost: Where are you getting this from? The Mafiascum wiki gives no indication it doesn't include kills.

What I meant to say is, that if we assume Joe is not lying about him being blocked, it makes him town, because my flavour looks like jailkeeping so I was most likely blocked by town which lead me to conclusion that Joe had to be blocked by mafia.

@Rob; I gave up on arguing with you already as you are obsessed by me for any possible reason for several games in row but please explain me this.
How excatly does this in any way affect scumminess of any player in this game?
JMich was motivated, he most likely has some sort of ability, but we have no idea what is it (and optimally it should stay this way). It could be roleblock but he has the same chance as any to have it. He said he didn't target me (we have only his word on this but OK, let's assume he speaks truth) and this helps you to peg me as scum. So the fact that player who maybe have only power to lick lampposts (or maybe reshape universe, it really doesn't matter) didn't target me, makes me more likely to be mafia, right?
How come?

Nah, I don't think I ever saw roleblock that doesn't stop kills. Every roleblock should prevent kills.

Not so sure about this. I thought it was...

copy (parrot)
hide
bus
block
redirect
protect
kill
recruit

Am I wrong??

See, I read this again, and I fail to understand it again.
You say:
If Joe is not lying, that makes him town (probable, not proof)
Vitek's block flavour sounds like jailkeeping (yes)
Vitek was probably blocked by town (huh? Why?)
ergo Joe was blocked by scum (huh? Again why?)

Does that also mean that if Joe is lying and/or is scum, you were blocked by scum and he was blocked by town? How do you go from "If Joe is telling the truth" to "He was blocked by mafia"? And what makes you sure you were blocked by town? The fact that the even jailer was town? Or would it be possible that you know no scum would block you?

Oh, before I forget
Unvote CSPVG
While his out of the blue claiming does look suspicious, I'm not sure I want to see CSPVG lynched just yet.

Sorry, my mistake then. I misunderstood something...

I was under the impression that roleblock only block your role, and did not affect the night kill. However, that does mean that my calculations before is not quite correct, as there is not a 100% chance for a night kill (but not easy to calculate due to not knowing how many roleblaockers there are, and how they work, like the one I had in last game was a one-shoot. Sorry if I go a little bit too much into the mechanics of it...)

Because I have never seen mafia jailkeeper (have you?). So if I was targeted by town, Joe was targeted by mafia. There is nothing else to it.

What? Why?

I haven't seen a mafia jailkeeper in my games so far, but QuadrAlien was the 2nd jailkeeper I've seen. From what I read though, mafia jailkeepers aren't unheard of.
You also assume (again) that Joe has had to be targeted by mafia. Why? Because the alternative is that town has 3 roleblockers?

I'm insinuating that you are scum, thus you know that a mafia roleblocker wouldn't target you.

If mafiascum.net wiki says it is not unheard of (but overkill for many game - that's how the quote there continues), it doesn't mean they are. I have played or read dozens of games and I have never seen one and if someone is confirmed jailkeeper than to me he is also confirmed town.
Yes, 3 roleblockers for town are absolutely ludicrous idea.

And I willingly shared it with everyone and tried to use it to confirm Joe. Sounds logical.

Remind me, how is a mafia jailkeeper without a vigilante present different from a roleblocker? Does he have any other bonus? Does he have anything else that overpowers him? Or can he be treated as a roleblocker for power distribution?
Add to it an odd day requirement, and claiming jailkeeper no longer means town.

P.S. May I also ask what convinced you to tell us you have a role?