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CSPVG: ...
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JMich: ...
Hmm... I guess we do have two blockers then?


Mostly unprompted and reckless roleclaiming aside, if you thought Robbeasy's hypothetical double vote power had to be activated what was the activation? Normally double voters actually place two votes, but I'm guessing your idea was that his one vote counted for two on whoever he put it on but only if activated? If that was the case then he'd need to do something to activate it surely?
Very interesting stuff, but I'm not sure where these revelations leave us. I have a few technical questions:
Assuming CSPVG and JMich are not both scum working together and coordinating a lie, CSPVG could still be a Mafia Motivator using his power on a townie as a cover, right? He would be allowed to do so, wouldn't he?
And secondly, do Mafia players know each other's role? I know they know their names, but I'm not not clear on that part.
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DarkoD13: And secondly, do Mafia players know each other's role? I know they know their names, but I'm not not clear on that part.
They had a night to talk with each other. I'd be surprised/disappointed if they didn't discuss their roles with each other.
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JMich: They had a night to talk with each other. I'd be surprised/disappointed if they didn't discuss their roles with each other.
Yeah, I realized that as soon as I posted it.
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DarkoD13: Very interesting stuff, but I'm not sure where these revelations leave us. I have a few technical questions:
Assuming CSPVG and JMich are not both scum working together and coordinating a lie, CSPVG could still be a Mafia Motivator using his power on a townie as a cover, right? He would be allowed to do so, wouldn't he?
And secondly, do Mafia players know each other's role? I know they know their names, but I'm not not clear on that part.
As far as I understand it, it depends on what the mafia players disclose to each other during the night. It helps the mafia if they all know what they can do so that they can coordinate, but there may be reasons to sometimes not disclose everything. So it is up to them, basically (correct me if I am wrong)
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DarkoD13: Assuming CSPVG and JMich are not both scum working together and coordinating a lie, CSPVG could still be a Mafia Motivator using his power on a townie as a cover, right? He would be allowed to do so, wouldn't he?
It would be unusual, but it could be some kind of clever ruse. Having said that, I think a mafia motivator would probably be a pretty overpowering role because unlike a townie they'd know who their teammates are and what power they're motivating. It's likely that if CSPVG really is a motivator he's probably town. BUT we don't know that JMich is telling the truth so we can't take anything as confirmed yet. If JMich was confirmed it would make it highly likely CSPVG is town.

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DarkoD13: And secondly, do Mafia players know each other's role? I know they know their names, but I'm not not clear on that part.
Barring some kind of scumchat post restriction I would assume so.
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SirPrimalform: Having said that, I think a mafia motivator would probably be a pretty overpowering role because unlike a townie they'd know who their teammates are and what power they're motivating. It's likely that if CSPVG really is a motivator he's probably town.
This below is basically motivator as well. ;-)

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amok: Nurse Ratchet – Mafia Nurse

There's not much to say, is there? You administer drugs, take care of the patients. Oh, and you really, really hate them. They're vile sociopaths, depraved murderers, and crazy lunatics. They are stains upon society, each and every one of them. A couple of them might be useful as tools, but they're all as bad as each other. We really should find more permanent solutions to these kinds of problems. Their vanishing from the face of the earth wouldn't bring a tear to a single eye.

But what can you do? You administer drugs, sedate them when needed. Too bad your tools... I mean, your friends don't trust you, because you have some pretty potent uppers in your arsenal as well.

Your scumbuddies are QuadrAlien and JMich. Scumchat is here. There you are allowed to communicate each night, as well as the first 72 hours of the first game day.
Together you must decide on one player to kill each night, as well as who performs the kill.

Abilities:
You have a number of drugs which you can administrate. You have to administrate one dose each day. The effect will take effect at nightfall, and last through the next day. You can not administrate drugs to any of your mafia buddies. PM the mod with which drug you want to which player.
Drugs (or rather, their effects):
Roleblock
1-shot vig ability
One extra vote

Note that you only have 1 dose of each drug, and that it is mandatory for you to administer one dose each day. You expect to receive a delivery of new drugs in a couple of days.

Win conditions: You win when only mafia are left alive, or this is inevitable.
He could be barred from motivating scummates and even if he wasn't, it would be maybe improbable but not impossible.
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Vitek: This below is basically motivator as well. ;-)

He could be barred from motivating scummates and even if he wasn't, it would be maybe improbable but not impossible.
Well shit you're right. In that case it's perfectly possible for JMich to be telling the truth and CSPVG to be scum. I'm keeping my vote where it is, the claim now seems like it was an attempt to be 'confirmed' by JMich to try and throw some heat off.
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Vitek: Joe, what was flavour of your block?
I suffered a series of unfortunate incidences that seem beyond anyone's control. It sounds a lot like a block. Tripped down stairs. Hit my head off a doorframe. Broke my bed. Had nightmares.
Perhaps we have a juju witch on board?

I'm not sure I believe in mafia motivators.

If JMich was mafia there would have been two deaths wouldn't there?

I'm theoried out...
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SirPrimalform: <snip>

Mostly unprompted and reckless roleclaiming aside, if you thought Robbeasy's hypothetical double vote power had to be activated what was the activation? Normally double voters actually place two votes, but I'm guessing your idea was that his one vote counted for two on whoever he put it on but only if activated? If that was the case then he'd need to do something to activate it surely?
It may seem umprompted and reckless, but I felt like I needed to do something to generate discussion; seeing as you all seem intent on lynching me today. I thought it may do the town some good revealing my role and actions, as it may be helpful in the discussion about our apparent double block.

One last thing about my role: It only works every second night.

As to my suspicions of Robbeasy: I now find them to be silly myself, as I didn't really think through the double vote idea. At the time, I thought that by saying that there were four votes, Robbeasy was activating his 'power'. I now think this is completely incorrect.
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JoeSapphire: If JMich was mafia there would have been two deaths wouldn't there?
If I remember correctly, the wiki says that Motivation doesn't work on factional abilities, so no.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Motivator
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JoeSapphire: I'm not sure I believe in mafia motivators.
How come? I was one in the last game, though I could not boost mafia players

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JoeSapphire: If JMich was mafia there would have been two deaths wouldn't there?
Only if the boost was a second kill...


Though I agree, if there is a motivator (mafia or town) out there, the results should be evident today or next night? Not in the first night?
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amok: Though I agree, if there is a motivator (mafia or town) out there, the results should be evident today or next night? Not in the first night?
I did say I got the option to use my ability a second time, didn't I?
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amok: Though I agree, if there is a motivator (mafia or town) out there, the results should be evident today or next night? Not in the first night?
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JMich: I did say I got the option to use my ability a second time, didn't I?
Ah, yes... interesting... I thought this things would work with delay (like in the last game... but I guess it is up to the moderator how to deal with it, it is an asynchronous game anyway, forgot about that)
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JoeSapphire: I suffered a series of unfortunate incidences that seem beyond anyone's control. It sounds a lot like a block. Tripped down stairs. Hit my head off a doorframe. Broke my bed. Had nightmares.
Perhaps we have a juju witch on board?

I'm not sure I believe in mafia motivators.

If JMich was mafia there would have been two deaths wouldn't there?

I'm theoried out...
OK, thanks.
That varies from my flavour a lot so it is very unlikely that we wre targeted by the same person.
I was thrown into metal room (by group of people!) and was unable to get out until I was released and brought back to our meeting.

Thinking about it, it sounds more like jailkeeping than roleblock.
If it is truth, then Joe is either scum or certain town, because he was most likley blocked by mafia.
Or I am completely wrong.
I really need to think about this more.
I'll be back later.

Also, I don't like your reason for claiming, CSPVG. You basically admit it was to get people off your back and that's something I would expect from mafia to do. To claim with their good safe claim to clear themself without need for actual defense.