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Late midterm season claimed me, my apologies. I'm still here, and moreso towards the end of this week.
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JMich: Allow me to quote my "accusing post" in full.
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This is my "serious accusation". This is the "slander" I threw during RVS. This is the post that had Vitek vote for me, and you accusing me of "distract attention from actual scum hunting"
While it may seem innocuous now, but put into the context of early day one RVS, it was very out of step with the rest of the group's mood. Joke votes were the norm, and you make a seemingly serious incident out of Robeasy's joke vote.

So yes, that really is the 'serious accusation', or at least it was at the time. Then again, perhaps this just has to do with the way that I view the 'natural' progression of day one in a mafia game. I feel that RVS would have petered out on its own, but I may have too strict ( and still somehow improperly defined) idea of what RVS is.

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JMich: And thus why any serious discussion during day 1 is welcome. I have made this comment, it has lead to me accusing and being accused. Once someone of those that took part in the discussion ends up dead (and at least one of us probably will end up dead), we have a cardflip. Then we can reevaluate the statements of the dead one, and see if someone was pushing too hard for a lynch, if the dead one knew something that couldn't let out etc.
Yes, I agree. I said much the same as what I said. We have no diverging opinions on this.

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JMich: Again, read post 18. Is it really that accusing of a post? If I said "So you say you want to play XCOM:EW on PC since you see the PC as the superior platform, yet you play it on XBOX360." would that mean I'm calling the other a dirty console peasant? Or that I'm rolling my eyes on preferences and actions?
You have avoided my question by attempting to make it silly, so I shall ask it again: Did you find Robbeasy's actions that suspicious?

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JMich: SPF covered that. I'm asking which part of Vitek's post you saw as a softclaim.
Even though I now think it harmless, my initial reaction was to the 'make-up' part of Vitek's post. Although Vitek used make-up, instead of make up, I never thought he was suggesting a roleblocker, but rather that he was suggesting that he could make up for the death of the doctor in the flavour.


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JMich: The "One thing" part was referring to Robbeasy and flubbucket only? Robb, Flub and Vitek? All of us?
In post 307 you seem to imply that it was meant for all of us, and if any of us thought that the "One thing" part wasn't correct, we should have told you to take a hike. Then you follow it that by answering your question (that you addressed to 2 people only), we seemed to agree with the rest of your post, since we answered your post, but didn't touch the "one thing" part.

So, I have a post with my view and a question. You answer the question and ignore my view. Does that mean you agree with my view, that you disagree with my view, or that I don't know anything about your opinion on my view? Why is it different when we ignore your view in your post?
I must say that I had almost totally forgotten that Robbeasy had asked everyone else to list their suspects, and that everyone had answered my question indirectly because of this. So yes, the initial question was posed only to flubbucket and Robbeasy.

I do, however, stand by my assertion that, by answering the question I posed, everyone showed their willingness to move past the Vitek-Robbeasy-flubbucket discussion, and on to other things( again, at least for the time being).
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CSPVG: You have avoided my question by attempting to make it silly, so I shall ask it again: Did you find Robbeasy's actions that suspicious?
As suspicious as someone who claims the PC to be the best platform to play a game and then plays the game on an XBOX360. He may be making a joke, he may be a hypocrite, he may be making fun of the one he's responding to. I could have probably phrased it as "So why are you not voting for Joe then?", which for me would amount to the same thing but a bit more direct. If I was finding it suspicious, I would have voted, not commented.

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CSPVG: I do, however, stand by my assertion that, by answering the question I posed, everyone showed their willingness to move past the Vitek-Robbeasy-flubbucket discussion, and on to other things( again, at least for the time being).
So the answer to my question is yes? If you address only part of a post, that means you agree with the rest of it? Or that you don't have any more info?

P.S. You again say Robb's joke vote, while he didn't vote for Joe. Why do you keep assuming I'm "attacking" an RVS vote? I did question an RVS post though, which is what we are doing here after all.
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JoeSapphire: I've been not giving enough time planning to mafia, I'm sorry. A couple of times I started writing and then
well anyway I shouldn't make excuses.
I've only been skimming over the recent stuff. And I've been thinking- I've been dithering over whether to tell or not

because it mentions in my role that I could probably pilot the ship that we're on, in the situation that something should happen to whoever is in charge at the moment.
And I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, and it maybe sounds like the setup for a lyncher or something like that. Only it doesn't really make sense that someone would want to kill me for that.
And I thought maybe the mafia have to kill me to win, but they have to kill everyone anyway so that doesn't really make sense either.
So it's probably nothing, but I thought maybe it is like the Communication Devices in Vitek's game, and they were pretty harmless. So I thought I'ld let everybody know Just In Case there's some good that can come from it. And if bad comes from it then whoops! sorry guys.

But in the spirit of Not-Being-Oh-So-Fussed-And-Stressy-About-Everything I thought I'ld chance it.
So there you have it! Make of it what you will.

In the spirit of looming deadline

I will dither a little more.
SPRIMALFORM VITEK QUADRALIEN FLUBBUCKET JMICH

I've put Vitek back into the list.
I don't think I'm making much sense to everybody. Sorry about that. Hope you're enjoying the game anyway!

lots of love
xxx
No.

Just...no.

This post takes the all time award for trying to throw a spanner into any sort of sensible chance we have of getting a viable lynch target on first day.

Some sort of softclaim, with no real info in it or anything, then a list of suspects with no reasoning, nothing.

As anti-town a post as I've seen in a long time.

unvote Vitek

Vote JoeSapphire
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JoeSapphire: I've been not giving enough time planning to mafia, I'm sorry. A couple of times I started writing and then
well anyway I shouldn't make excuses.
I've only been skimming over the recent stuff. And I've been thinking- I've been dithering over whether to tell or not

because it mentions in my role that I could probably pilot the ship that we're on, in the situation that something should happen to whoever is in charge at the moment.
And I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, and it maybe sounds like the setup for a lyncher or something like that. Only it doesn't really make sense that someone would want to kill me for that.
And I thought maybe the mafia have to kill me to win, but they have to kill everyone anyway so that doesn't really make sense either.
So it's probably nothing, but I thought maybe it is like the Communication Devices in Vitek's game, and they were pretty harmless. So I thought I'ld let everybody know Just In Case there's some good that can come from it. And if bad comes from it then whoops! sorry guys.

But in the spirit of Not-Being-Oh-So-Fussed-And-Stressy-About-Everything I thought I'ld chance it.
So there you have it! Make of it what you will.

In the spirit of looming deadline

I will dither a little more.
SPRIMALFORM VITEK QUADRALIEN FLUBBUCKET JMICH

I've put Vitek back into the list.
I don't think I'm making much sense to everybody. Sorry about that. Hope you're enjoying the game anyway!

lots of love
xxx
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Robbeasy: No.

Just...no.

This post takes the all time award for trying to throw a spanner into any sort of sensible chance we have of getting a viable lynch target on first day.

Some sort of softclaim, with no real info in it or anything, then a list of suspects with no reasoning, nothing.

As anti-town a post as I've seen in a long time.

unvote Vitek

Vote JoeSapphire
I agree with this. Joe's post made him move down on my list considerably... he more or less hinted to being unkillable (or that it would be silly to do so as he can pilot the ship...) and no reasons given for anything else. I still hold my vote for flubb, I think he is scum, but I am also now considering Joe very much.

I push comes to show, I have no problems getting behind either.
Waiting for Joe to respond to my post before saying/doing any more about his post. He's definitely on my radar a lot stronger than he was though.

I'm now worried that we've got a lot to discuss before the deadline.
It occurs to me that Joe's list of suspects appears to be his last two lists combined.

It also occurs to me that, while a poor move by Town standards, Joe's statement doesn't seem to make an awful lot of sense from a Mafia point of view either, given it'd change the situation from "stacks of 2 on 4 players" (which, assuming standard Mafia numbers and Joe as Mafia, would be a maximum of 2 Mafia members suspected) to doing something that would draw attention to Joe, thus causing more chance of a Mafia being lynched.

So what I'm saying I suppose is we can't just go around lynching people just for being stupid.

(And now my lunch break is over. A pity, I'm sure I was going somewhere with this.) :(
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Vitek: What happened to no claiming unless grave need arise?
YOU said I was overreacting!!

Anyway I WAS stupid to have written that yesterday and I shouldn't have done it. I felt like I had to make SOME contribution but it has since dawned on me an implication of this sentence and
I SHOULD HAve just ignored it yes thank you everybody.

It doesn't have anything to do with my own victory condition, and I've gone off the idea that it has anything to do with anybody else's so yeah just forget about it.

QuadrAlien - my list IS my last two lists combined. I pretty much have no idea what's going on in the game at present. There's lots of writing that I don't have the energy to read I'm really sorry. I'm skimming it and assuming that it's the usual day one stuff and it's largely inconsequential because we'll just end up with a no-lynch anyway. I just have this feeling. Prove me wrong!

I'll try and read at least some of the recent goings on with JMich.

Rob wanted reads here they are

01. SirPrimalform : He was overactive and facesitty
02. CSPVG : makin waves? In a sort of polite way
03. QuadrAlien : edge of the crowd not ruffling feathers. defending Joe??
04. Vitek : lied to Joe. bad points
05. amok : I don't know. Oh wait. No I can't remember that's really bad I'm sorry.
06. JMich : no actually I don't know about JMich either so it's fine
07. Robbeasy : standard defensey rob. jumps on people but no-one really listens
08. JoeSapphire :
09. gkaiser : last I remember gkaiser was making a lot of jokes? or maybe had just stopped and made some serious argument I'm just making it up I have a headache
10. Darko : rude to vitek? .
11. Flubbucket : no it was flubbucket was rude to vitek I think. Darko had a go at CSPVG. Did it make sense at the time?

Well that went better than I thought it would. But now I have a headache. Thanks rob.
oh I really have no idea who the mafia are you're all awful.
I had a think on the way home. Here's my thoughts

QuadrAlien defended my claim. Of course at first I was happy to read it, and then I grow suspicious.
I just read it again and I suppose he doesn't defend it so much as say that it's stupid. Which I can't deny it was.

Vitek said "I remember one guy who went really crazy when we had something even resembling soft claim."
I read "I remember someone who went really crazy" and assumed he was talking about Rodzaju. Then I had to read the rest of it twice and realised he was talking about me.
Which I think is unfair considering it was thinking about Vitek's argument that got me thinking that maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea.
Ack I'm probably making to big a deal out of it.
Well anyway here's how I'm interpretting the dialogue:

gkaiser, amok: I am something-or-other!
Joe: Don't do that!
Vitek: Joe it's not so bad what's wrong with you?
Joe: I CAN SOMETHING-OR-OTHER HOW IMPORTANT
Vitek: Don't do that!!

okay having reduced it to that it doesn't seem so bad. You must allow me this craziness.
Oh hell when is the deadline?
Or more like:

gkaiser, amok: I am saying something secret but mostly innocuous!
Joe: Are you crazy? You can't do that! It's wrong and helps bad guys and that's bad, m'kay?
Vítek: Don't you think you are exaggerating a bit? Your speech sounds contrieved.
Joe: Hey guy I am gonna tell you something secret and hopefully not innocuous at all. I can be something really improtant.
Vítek: How come you were so outraged about secret stuff last time and are not this time when it sounds much less innocuous?
Joe: You liar!


Have you answered SirPrimalform's question? I can't find it.

It is much worse to now tell us to forget it than to continue at all. Why to share it at all when you want to drop it in your next post? You say you were dithering whether to share it or no so it doesn't seem like you made rushed decision.

Also, I don't get the connection to lyncher in what you wrote, could you elaborate?


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QuadrAlien: So what I'm saying I suppose is we can't just go around lynching people just for being stupid.
I thought we do this here all the time.
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JoeSapphire: 10. Darko : rude to vitek? .
11. Flubbucket : no it was flubbucket was rude to vitek I think. Darko had a go at CSPVG. Did it make sense at the time?
I'm not sure anyone was rude to Vitek (I certainly wasn't).

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JoeSapphire: Oh hell when is the deadline?
Sunday.
Totally OT post.

I'm having a cup of Irish coffee because it's my day off, I just woke up and I need to quell this 10 ton hangover. So bite me.

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JoeSapphire: ........................<snip>....................

Well that went better than I thought it would. But now I have a headache. Thanks rob.
oh I really have no idea who the mafia are you're all awful.
I laughed so hard at this because all I heard was Joe's voice so fem mincing away in a huff and a stream of sweet smelling bubbles.

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Vitek: ..................................


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QuadrAlien: So what I'm saying I suppose is we can't just go around lynching people just for being stupid.
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Vitek: I thought we do this here all the time.
And then this one....^ to much laughing...just stop reading...

Oh my head hurts so much!!
I don't understand why you'd claim and then tell everyone to forget about it. It doesn't seem tremendously mafia because I can't exactly see the motivation but it's weird. Especially after your reaction to unprompted softclaims that revealed much less than you did.

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QuadrAlien: So what I'm saying I suppose is we can't just go around lynching people just for being stupid.
Well we can, do and should. After all, the mafia are unlikely to put their hand in the air and say "Guys, it's me! I'm mafia!" are they? Half of the time we catch them it's because they made a mistake.
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SirPrimalform: I don't understand why you'd claim and then tell everyone to forget about it. It doesn't seem tremendously mafia because I can't exactly see the motivation but it's weird. Especially after your reaction to unprompted softclaims that revealed much less than you did.
I think it is a bit more than what gkaiser or me did. Neither of us have really raveled any roles as such, just some flavor. This neither proves either us to be town or mafia, nor what we are capable to do.

Joe, on the other hand, tried to hint that he has a very important role (control the boat), this implies that lynching him wold be a very bad idea...
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SirPrimalform: I don't understand why you'd claim and then tell everyone to forget about it. It doesn't seem tremendously mafia because I can't exactly see the motivation but it's weird. Especially after your reaction to unprompted softclaims that revealed much less than you did.
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amok: I think it is a bit more than what gkaiser or me did. Neither of us have really raveled any roles as such, just some flavor. This neither proves either us to be town or mafia, nor what we are capable to do.

Joe, on the other hand, tried to hint that he has a very important role (control the boat), this implies that lynching him wold be a very bad idea...
That's pretty much what I said. I said he revealed more than you guys did which is why he's being hypocritical to say the least.