Posted September 09, 2013

amok
FREEEEDOOOM!!!!
Registered: Sep 2008
From United Kingdom

my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted September 09, 2013

Vitek
Master of Karate and friendship for everyone
Registered: Apr 2009
From British Indian Ocean Territory
Posted September 09, 2013
Oh crap.
Could you at least give us some thoughts fast?
Could you at least give us some thoughts fast?

Zchinque
Antagonist
Registered: Apr 2010
From Norway
Posted September 09, 2013
Let me begin by saying that I am sorry for how this game has turned out.
I knew that my hardline stance on "edited" posts was a bit of a risk, but under no circumstances did I foresee it backfiring this spectacularly. It was a decision I made prior to the game starting, and it was clearly the wrong one.
On one hand, I don't want to disrupt the game more than strictly needed (harr harr). In this case, I saw SPF's post pre-"edit". so I know there was nothing underhanded, as if how his post at the current time wasn't a good enough indication already. I also believe, although on this I can not be 100% certain, that this "edit" was through no fault on SPF's side - it just doesn't make any sense (yes, I believe a player posting twice in succession within 10 minutes is at fault, we know the quirks of the forum software well enough, sub-par though it may be).
And then, of course, there's the other hand. No matter how we look at it, SPF's post has been "edited". In post #173 I categorically stated that any post showing as edited would lead to a modkill of the player in question, and as you're all aware I've already acted on this twice. Had SPF's post come without there having been any other modkills, I believe I would have felt I had more room to maneuver in. But as it stands, I would feel that I'm acting very unfairly towards Joe and Flub if they got modkilled, while SPF is allowed to live. I believe that everyone should be treated equally and consistently, according to the rules.
It feels like I've painted myself into a corner here.
So, in the end, I want to ask for input from you, the players. Dead players and spectators are also welcome to share their opinions.
Right now, I feel pretty dejected. I honestly don't know what I should do. It feels like a poisoned chalice, where no matter what decision I land on it's the wrong one. One option that has crossed my mind, and I'm beginning to think it might be the best one, is to abandon the game, and start a new one. It wouldn't be an optimal solution, obviously, but it would let us put this game behind it before it becomes even more farcical, and let us take our lesson (okay, that might apply only to myself) and move on.
As said, I want your input. Do you want the game to continue, or would you rather turn the page and move on to greener pastures? Take note that the question makes no presumption about whether or not the game, if it continues, would still have SPF as a living player. (Which is another question you're more than welcome to weigh in on.)
Please keep all discussion about this to PMs with me. I do not want this discussed in this thread, as long as the game is in progress.
Once the game ends, whether that will be pretty soon or a bit later down the line, I'll happily take that discussion, as well as the public flogging that is likely to come with it.
Again, I'm sincerely sorry for how this has turned out.
Deadline suspended until further notice.
I knew that my hardline stance on "edited" posts was a bit of a risk, but under no circumstances did I foresee it backfiring this spectacularly. It was a decision I made prior to the game starting, and it was clearly the wrong one.
On one hand, I don't want to disrupt the game more than strictly needed (harr harr). In this case, I saw SPF's post pre-"edit". so I know there was nothing underhanded, as if how his post at the current time wasn't a good enough indication already. I also believe, although on this I can not be 100% certain, that this "edit" was through no fault on SPF's side - it just doesn't make any sense (yes, I believe a player posting twice in succession within 10 minutes is at fault, we know the quirks of the forum software well enough, sub-par though it may be).
And then, of course, there's the other hand. No matter how we look at it, SPF's post has been "edited". In post #173 I categorically stated that any post showing as edited would lead to a modkill of the player in question, and as you're all aware I've already acted on this twice. Had SPF's post come without there having been any other modkills, I believe I would have felt I had more room to maneuver in. But as it stands, I would feel that I'm acting very unfairly towards Joe and Flub if they got modkilled, while SPF is allowed to live. I believe that everyone should be treated equally and consistently, according to the rules.
It feels like I've painted myself into a corner here.
So, in the end, I want to ask for input from you, the players. Dead players and spectators are also welcome to share their opinions.
Right now, I feel pretty dejected. I honestly don't know what I should do. It feels like a poisoned chalice, where no matter what decision I land on it's the wrong one. One option that has crossed my mind, and I'm beginning to think it might be the best one, is to abandon the game, and start a new one. It wouldn't be an optimal solution, obviously, but it would let us put this game behind it before it becomes even more farcical, and let us take our lesson (okay, that might apply only to myself) and move on.
As said, I want your input. Do you want the game to continue, or would you rather turn the page and move on to greener pastures? Take note that the question makes no presumption about whether or not the game, if it continues, would still have SPF as a living player. (Which is another question you're more than welcome to weigh in on.)
Please keep all discussion about this to PMs with me. I do not want this discussed in this thread, as long as the game is in progress.
Once the game ends, whether that will be pretty soon or a bit later down the line, I'll happily take that discussion, as well as the public flogging that is likely to come with it.
Again, I'm sincerely sorry for how this has turned out.
Deadline suspended until further notice.
Post edited September 10, 2013 by Zchinque

my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted September 09, 2013
Sorry for destroying the game guys! (although I'm still not sure exactly what happened)
@Vitek: I'm going to have to re-read to get out of the bizarre mindset I put myself into, buuuut my current thoughts are that my wagon probably does have some interesting info even though my behaviour was completely engineered. The scum would know (as they would with every lynch obviously) that I wasn't scum. Given how blatantly scummy I was acting I'd say that makes them more likely to guess I was a jester. Of course they wouldn't necessarily say so publicly but it might have coloured their reasoning. Of course, they might also have jumped at the chance to justifiably lynch someone. No one's going to question anyone voting for me when I behave like that.
None of that is probably that helpful, but I'm tired and haven't re-read yet.
@Vitek: I'm going to have to re-read to get out of the bizarre mindset I put myself into, buuuut my current thoughts are that my wagon probably does have some interesting info even though my behaviour was completely engineered. The scum would know (as they would with every lynch obviously) that I wasn't scum. Given how blatantly scummy I was acting I'd say that makes them more likely to guess I was a jester. Of course they wouldn't necessarily say so publicly but it might have coloured their reasoning. Of course, they might also have jumped at the chance to justifiably lynch someone. No one's going to question anyone voting for me when I behave like that.
None of that is probably that helpful, but I'm tired and haven't re-read yet.

my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted September 10, 2013
We are still supposed to be playing, yes? 16 hours with no posts doesn't bode well...

amok
FREEEEDOOOM!!!!
Registered: Sep 2008
From United Kingdom
Posted September 10, 2013
To be honest, I am not sure what is happening now... I have cast my vote, and I am waiting for things to happen.

JMich
A Horrible Human Person. If you need me, chat.
Registered: Apr 2011
From Greece

Zchinque
Antagonist
Registered: Apr 2010
From Norway
Posted September 10, 2013

Anyway, decision time.
Game goes on. I let my frustration get the better of me yesternight, and I've come around to keeping it going is probably the best solution. That was also the consensus of those who have messaged me. Thanks to all who chimed in with their opinion.
SPF will not be modkilled, as I both saw the original post, and believe this happened through no fault of his own. He will however be modsmacked-around a bit, for good measure. This won't have any in-game consequences. My apologies to Flub and Joe if they feel this is unfair.
I'll use this as a bit of a fresh start, and as such no one will be prodded for the next 48 hours. To balance things out, I'm giving an extension to the deadline.
So, sorry for all this, game on.
It is still still Day 2.
Votecount!
GhostQlyph - 1 - amok
Not voitng: The rest of yous.
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is set to Monday 16th at 22:00 UTC.
Deadline in 148 hours.
Post edited September 10, 2013 by Zchinque

my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted September 10, 2013


I didn't double post, the forum duplicated my post after I left the thread somehow. Zchinque has very kindly allowed me to live though, so on we go.

GhostQlyph
EVIL TV OVERLORD
Registered: Feb 2011
From United States
Posted September 10, 2013
HERE WE GO AGAIN
Vote Vitek.
If I have to do this again before day 3 I'm out of here.
Vote Vitek.
If I have to do this again before day 3 I'm out of here.

TwilightBard
Luteless Bard
Registered: Sep 2008
From United States
Posted September 10, 2013

Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
Registered: Oct 2008
From United States
Posted September 11, 2013
Hmm... I don't like this. Not at all. I like to be the one playing jokes on OTHER people, not the other way around. How RUDE. I mean, seriously, you better check yourself mister trickster! *glares woefully at SirPrimalform, finally breaking into a smirk*
Seriously though. It is all well and good, but I have a few concerns:
1) Why did you fake role-claim Batman, of all people? I mean, you didn't even claim Bruce Wayne, you instead used his alter-ego. It seems pretty random given the town roles we currently know.
2) Zchinque did warn us to not even trust the moderator during this. So, while Andy Kaufman certainly seem appropriate for a Jester, could this not be some odd power SirPrimalform has to get the mod to fake roleclaim for him?
Something about all this just doesn't sit well with me, but maybe I am just being paranoid.
Regardless, confusion does not a guilty verdict make, so, back to my original target:
Vote GhostQlyph
If indeed SirPrimalform is town, which by all indications he is (regardless of my uneasiness about how it went down), then she seemed to jump off the wagon at a fairly opportune time. It was just about the right place to jump off a wagon as a scum to be in a good position to say "I told you so" the next Day, since by all rights SirPrimalform WAS going to get lynched with his antics. It is something I might have done in her position as scum. By the same token, if SirPrimalform is indeed scum (as my gut keeps insisting, all evidence aside), then it was also not a bad time to jump off a wagon on a fellow scumbuddy. I just don't like her wagon jumping at all.
Seriously though. It is all well and good, but I have a few concerns:
1) Why did you fake role-claim Batman, of all people? I mean, you didn't even claim Bruce Wayne, you instead used his alter-ego. It seems pretty random given the town roles we currently know.
2) Zchinque did warn us to not even trust the moderator during this. So, while Andy Kaufman certainly seem appropriate for a Jester, could this not be some odd power SirPrimalform has to get the mod to fake roleclaim for him?
Something about all this just doesn't sit well with me, but maybe I am just being paranoid.
Regardless, confusion does not a guilty verdict make, so, back to my original target:
Vote GhostQlyph
If indeed SirPrimalform is town, which by all indications he is (regardless of my uneasiness about how it went down), then she seemed to jump off the wagon at a fairly opportune time. It was just about the right place to jump off a wagon as a scum to be in a good position to say "I told you so" the next Day, since by all rights SirPrimalform WAS going to get lynched with his antics. It is something I might have done in her position as scum. By the same token, if SirPrimalform is indeed scum (as my gut keeps insisting, all evidence aside), then it was also not a bad time to jump off a wagon on a fellow scumbuddy. I just don't like her wagon jumping at all.

Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
Registered: Oct 2008
From United States
Posted September 11, 2013
I like to make typos occasionally, and I really don't like not being able to go back and edit them out. This post should close the bold tag so it doesn't bleed down the page for anyone.

my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted September 11, 2013

Hmm, good point. I was thinking of myself as mod confirmed but he did say not to trust him so I'll bear that in mind.