Just popping in as I managed to get some time off (Working near nonstop for 14 hours the past six days at uni with hardly anything but statistics and data analysis, yay, amusing :p) and thought I'd make a comment on somethings that popped out to me, or things I feel some might want adressed.
Red_Baron: You have killed Vitek he was a Traitor
jefequeso: I think that the Red's supposed PM follows the overall style that X's narrations have used. However, I take issue with this one line. That's not how X has revealed roles thus far.
"Rodzaju was Blake Johnson(Town Universal Backup Lyncher)"
"Vitek was Ezekiel Taylor(Traitor)"
You see? In Red's post there's no name, and no "official" term for Vitek's role. It's presented as a sentence rather than an official term.
It's a minor thing, but it might be an indication that X didn't write it.
It's a VERY minor thing, because it means nothing - what's special (if the text Red wrote was truly the nightkill pm from ViolatorX) is that it even mentioned Vitek's role. That's the unnormal part of that pm.
NotFrenchYet: I hesitated about drawing that out, but I think it might be useful here, not in terms of reopening the debate but more in terms of figuring out whether this PM is a genuine article... It's literally a line-for-line reworking of the kill scene. Okay, it doesn't add any information to what we already know (apart from the above underlined bit), but this is also the reason it's not quite right... Not to mention the debatable tactic of wanting to post it.
No, I disagree, and my view of this statement is an attempt to drag us into a debate about flavour as proof, and potentially back to the whole "multiple-mafia" ordeal. It's an attempt to muddy the water in my opinion, because it comes down to definition of "wiped out" - which means WIPED OUT! Not annihilated, not killed, not destroyed, but WIPED OUT - it means the organisations were ended, nothing else. And we already HAVE that present in the first flavour post at the dawn of day one - it mentioned the factions were defeated, as in their operations ended!
SirPrimalform: Emerging out the other side of the fog of snot caused by this cold... I'm really not sure what could have caused Red_Baron to ask for permission to post his PM (or pretend to ask for permission to post his PM and post a fake PM) apart from blind panic. If he really is a used up one shot town vig then it seems a bit weird to be quite so panicky about dying.
Pardon me, but when is Red appearing to be panicing and freightened of death?
Considering my statements in this post, you're likely wanting to know why I appear to be defending Red - I'm not, really. The point in reply to jefe was merely that you cannot use such a thing against anyone. The point against NFY was because to me, NFY seems to be scapegoating Red, attempting to push any possible attention on her onto Red, which I find highly suspecious. I also think people's reaction to the alleged pm somewhat interesting - there's no proof at all that the pm is the real deal or not, TB's vote on Red because of it is either rooted in extreme distrust or scumminess, because ViolatorX's post neither proves or disproves anything Red said (As a good mod should). Some of you use the fact that a mod allowing rule breaking to be bad modding or strange, is it truly? It's why there's a term such as bastard modding, and bastard modding CAN lead to interesting games (and changing gameplay mechanics during the game is not unheard of, look up Judas on the mafia wiki). A further mention of the whole mod thing - reflect upon ViolatorX's posts when the Rodzaju debacle escalated. ViolatorX was, in what seemed to me, directly interfering with the game by proving to us that Rod was not lying about having a post restriction and seemed to want to end that debate, should prove to you that ViolatorX is not afraid of interfering with the game if he/she thinks it's not breaking the game. That would go for rule breaking too.
So what's my own opinion on Red, however? He's difficult to place, but with the rampant desire for people to claim in this game, I cannot see how we can use that against him. Then we should witchhunt baz and jefe to this second as well (TB is attempting to hunt baz, but funnily enough, NFY is stepping in to attempt to prevent that). But I still find it incredible suspecious that he does (As I did with both of the others) and considering everything, why WOULD he claim? I'm somewhat split about it, but I'm more leaning towards the idea of Red attempting to wash his hands clean, for the kill could easily have been a mafia kill which he then uses to make himself look good.
but at the moment, I'm more convinced of somethign else entirely.
vote NotFrenchYet
