I find the latest development baffling for precisely the same reasons. What was posted by RB perfectly fits Violator's style, meaning it's either an excellent imitation or the real thing. I would suppose the latter (it's too good a fit, really), but I honestly don't see any reason why would the mod allow this rule to be broken.

Well, if it was giving you any new info I would understand your worries, but honestly - Its not. Its basically the kill scene seen from my perspective. It gives away no new info and if you change the perspective you have what you saw in the night-kill. I mainly posted it and the previous info for one reason and one reason only: To help town move forward instead of using this nights kill as an argument for multiple mafias, and to gain some needed knowledge. As it seems I have instead managed to make people discuss why I killed him. No one seems to doubt I did it, which is at least something I suppose.

In response to Twilightbard: Yea, I did consider your actions influenced by lack of time, but lately it seemed to me that I couldn't excuse your posts due to lack of time. Meaning that I find myself considering Jef town, and thus find the vote on him scummy. And yes, its all a point of view.

And yes, we'll never know until the end if this is real or not, but at least town now have a clue that there was no night-kill from mafia (unless a delayed one? Nah, won't consider that).

No, that's not the point at all. The problem is that if everyone could post their PMs from the mod unchanged, there would be little reason to even play the game -- we'd all confirm our claims and those who couldn't do so are scum, end of story. The reason this is one of the core rules is that without it, the whole game could be broken incredibly easily. So I can't really imagine why a mod would be fine with you breaking it.

That being said, I do believe you. It's just that this is highly unorthodox, and I'm rather weary of unorthodox modding.

I think that the Red's supposed PM follows the overall style that X's narrations have used. However, I take issue with this one line. That's not how X has revealed roles thus far.

"Rodzaju was Blake Johnson(Town Universal Backup Lyncher)"

"Vitek was Ezekiel Taylor(Traitor)"

You see? In Red's post there's no name, and no "official" term for Vitek's role. It's presented as a sentence rather than an official term.

It's a minor thing, but it might be an indication that X didn't write it.

Yea I'll follow you on that one and yes, but basically this is just pm showing I killed him. Doesn't tell that much about why or my agenda. But I can see the problem with it, its just that I am very certain I wouldn't have been allowed to paraphrase it if it proved anything other then the kill or if Violator confirmed my kill claim. As no one doubts that I killed him, I basically don't really prove anything. I saw it as a similar action as to post night results, similar to how you posted it. I properly went with a too close representation of it.

Anyway moving on, does jef get a message if he is protected by a doctor of baz type? Since it would be a roleblock as well right? But nah, that wouldn't really serve to prove anything as two could easily be aligned if need be, and could be why there was no night-kill if two of the members were engaged in protecting/being protected. However in that regards I still can't see why then would the mafia kill Joe if it meant that they would have to protect jef from being killed. It makes me decide that Jef could not have been mafia, at least not before the kill. Perhaps after as a way of earning another member to their cause. How that relates to no night kill I can't see and the whole speculation is very theoretical. I am still holding on to both Baz and Jef being town.

I am however going to unvote as I don't really see that big a result from voting on Cruward for now.

Still feeling unwell, but I will say even if it is real, allowing someone to directly quote a PM is bad form, as is attempting to get the privilege to do so, the entire purpose of the game is an informed minority against an uninformed majority, PMs aren't allowed to be shared because they undermine this concept.

If I had to guess, Red_Baron did contact ViolatorX and ask if making something up and claiming it was a PM would break the rules, since I doubt the mod would confirm a town player like that.

With that in mind, vote Red_Baron

This is a very good point. The PM does follow the kill flavour almost to the letter...

Apart from this, that is:
I hesitated about drawing that out, but I think it might be useful here, not in terms of reopening the debate but more in terms of figuring out whether this PM is a genuine article... It's literally a line-for-line reworking of the kill scene. Okay, it doesn't add any information to what we already know (apart from the above underlined bit), but this is also the reason it's not quite right... Not to mention the debatable tactic of wanting to post it.

You're basing these theories on the information which is out in the open, which isn't necessarily trustworthy. I honestly don't think speculating about what happened last night is helping at this stage - there are a huge variety of possibilities. Speculating like this works in open setups, but I think it's useless here. Maybe when we have more data on roles we can think about figuring it out.

No, this is what Red_Baron claimed; I don't believe it.

Thats where you are wrong. I never claimed to know why no night kill by the mafia have occurred. I just felt it required of me to be honest and inform that this nights kill wasn't done by the mafia. Any theories, ideas or reasons as to why this is so, I haven't said anything about.

Also could we have a vote count here? Feeling that some votes are beginning to increase on me and would like to see how many. (Good lesson from mafia games: Town should always be honest and information is the key to victory, being honest and giving information usually leads to one being killed for lying - oh the irony). But heck, every lynch also gives some knowledge, so just by sharing all the info as possible before dying gives the town a bigger chance.

^^ This.

This was my reasoning for the lynching of Rod yesterday. Also - you must have known that posting your pm like that was going to bring down the righteous anger of all the other players?

I felt it might, but I could also have some other reasons. And it did bring some extra info that I missed, for instance what NotFrenchYet noticed about the gangs being wiped out. Not sure if it matters anything, but still is some extra knowledge I guess.

Votecount

3- Red Baron - Nmillar,Twilightbard,Orryyrro
1- Cruward Darkeyes - Jefequeso
1- Jefequeso - Cruward_Darkeyes
1 - Twilightbard - Notfrenchyet
1- Sirprimalform- Robbeasy

Not voting:Damnation,Sirprimalform,Red Baron,Bazilisek

With 11 Alive it takes 6 to lynch

Red Baron is closest to lynch at L-3

Off Topic:Why is this forum so glitchy, Sometimes when I go to edit pieces of info or bolding just vanish?

Interesting, because according to a later post by Jefe, he tried to commit suicide and was stopped. Post 820:
And Baz found a wound on the back of the head, from his paraphrasing:

With what you had quoted, I'm more convinced that something funny is going on here....

No, it just means that I was never informed that this would happen. So it's a good indication that I won't suicide, but not necessarily proof.