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Posted November 30, 2011
Good spot, baz.

Sorry I dropped out of this yesterday but I went away and when I came back I discovered my interent is not working and it started working late night.

I don't think neither mafia cop nor paranoid cop does make sense. Even if there were more parties why should mafia care to know which side other people are?

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TwilightBard: I am however, of a different mind about Rodzaju putting his information out there early. At first I was suspicious, but then I realized, if he's town, then to me it's a similar situation to Game 5's Miller...getting the information out eliminates the ability to falseclaim, and it makes roles that could be detrimental to the town a little weaker
How is it similar? For Rob as miller it was best course of action if he wanted to help town. How was this aimed to help. Even in game 5 it was discussed thjat Rob did it when not under pressure because it helped him to convince people. Rod did this when he was under "imaginary" pressure (he thought he will get lynched) and started to spill some knowledge here and there but eacch time small bit to save his skin. Robbeasy did it to help town, Rodzaju did it only to save himself no mattter cost.


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Damnation: The other arguments are basically pointing out your lurking and some interesting points. But in the end, my main irk with you is that you play a lot like you did in mafia 3, which is odd as you usually have a much more scumhunting behaviour - of course, when you know who is mafia, what's the point in hunting for scum? :p
Well, this is something I can't argue too much about. Yes I wasn't exactly scum-hunting but it was mainly becasue I neglected this game completely some time. I only recently re-read whole thread because at first I only read few posts to stay in touch. Yes is not good play but it's not scum play. It wasn't dependant on my alignemnt. I was just slacking and not paying attention. I think it's quite different than Game 3, where I have been directly witch-hunting.
Posted November 30, 2011
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Vitek: I don't think neither mafia cop nor paranoid cop does make sense. Even if there were more parties why should mafia care to know which side other people are?
Because they'd want to nightkill each other. :P
Posted November 30, 2011
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Rodzaju: I believe that, as with Baz, the player only has COP & doesn't (didn't) know about the qualifier.
This would make sense only of there is more thaqn 1 mafia faction.
No no, that doesn't make sense at all... How does not knowing about a qualifier only make sense in multiple factions? Also, you'd use flavour as a basis for scum deduction? We saw how well that went in Game 8...

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bazilisek: So, Rod: why don't we REALLY want to make Angelo's identity public when he's a paranoid/insane cop? What makes him so insanely valuable, pray tell, when the results of his investigations are worthless?
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Are you suggesting Rod's claim about Angelo is invalid (but that yours was correct)?

Personally, I would think that Angelo would have figured something might be wrong with their results, considering the information we're getting from Rod...
Posted November 30, 2011
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NotFrenchYet: I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Are you suggesting Rod's claim about Angelo is invalid (but that yours was correct)?
No, as that is pretty much impossible to determine. What I am getting at is that in post #155, Rod is adamant that Angelo's identity must be protected, even though much later (#673), he says Angelo is basically useless as an investigator and that he (Rod) suspects he (Angelo) is scum anyway.

Those two pieces of information simply don't correspond to each other.
Posted November 30, 2011
When I said that Angelo should not be revealed I was thinking about cop.
Cop is a role that is traditionally kept secret.

The qualifier does reduce the need for this, but I was not thinking about that at the time.

It is not the qualifier that only makes sense in a multi-mafia setup.
It is a scum cop that only makes sense in a multi-mafia setup.

I have been cagey about revealing information as it is constantly being said that role info should not be revealed lightly.
Therefore, unless things change drastically, I will not mention the other 2 I know of.
Posted November 30, 2011
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Rodzaju: When I said that Angelo should not be revealed I was thinking about cop.
Cop is a role that is traditionally kept secret.

The qualifier does reduce the need for this, but I was not thinking about that at the time.

It is not the qualifier that only makes sense in a multi-mafia setup.
It is a scum cop that only makes sense in a multi-mafia setup.

I have been cagey about revealing information as it is constantly being said that role info should not be revealed lightly.
Therefore, unless things change drastically, I will not mention the other 2 I know of.
Then I can't help wonder, if you yourself state that the role only makes sense in a multi mafia set up, hence assuming that that role is owned by a scum, why would it not benefit town to know it? If you knew that it was a town role I can understand holding something back, but not if its a scum. Getting the info out that there is a risk of a scum cop can only be useful. Of course all assuming that what you say is true.

And I am somewhat assuming that you didn't think of this while first mentioning this, as nmillar was the one who brought up multi-mafia at the first time, so wouldn't a better reason be that you didn't want to reveal a cop, then learned about a possible multi-mafia and then decided it could be a mafia role. But interestingly enough, thats not your reason. (Or that might have been what you said in some cryptic way). I understand it as saying that you suspected it to be a scum cop even before considering the qualifier (which you had from the beginning as well). And you mentioned earlier in the game that it was the flavor you received that made you suspect one of the roles as a scum. Was that flavor the start-up game flavor or was it the pm flavor, which I understood to be?
Posted November 30, 2011
At the time I suggested keeping thing's secret it was a combination of generally releaqsing info is a bad idea & that cop in particular should stay secret.
I had not really considered the implications of either the qualifier or the flavour at this point.

Yes, once more I was (am) guilty of wanting to participate meaningfully without fully engaging brain first. It's not the first time & almost certainly won't be the last.....

It was the PM flavour that made me suspect he is scum.
a scum cop with any qualifier would only make sense in a multi-mafia game.
Posted November 30, 2011
Before we start treating this as gospel...
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Rodzaju: /snip
It was the PM flavour that made me suspect he is scum.
a scum cop with any qualifier would only make sense in a multi-mafia game.
How so? I'm really uneasy with you using flavour text as a basis for an alignment judgement...
Posted November 30, 2011
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NotFrenchYet: Before we start treating this as gospel...
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Rodzaju: /snip
It was the PM flavour that made me suspect he is scum.
a scum cop with any qualifier would only make sense in a multi-mafia game.
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NotFrenchYet: How so? I'm really uneasy with you using flavour text as a basis for an alignment judgement...
I am a drug dealer.
Personally i expected people to assume that I was scum from that, which is why I was reluctant to share.

In a nut shell:
Angelo had me bang to rights, but rather than bust me he decides to take a cut of my profits.
Corrupt cop is not someone I can see as town.
Posted November 30, 2011
Bah! I'm dead!

(post 700! (hopefully))
Posted November 30, 2011
I'd like the deadline to be Dec 19th

With xmas coming up would it be easier or more difficult to have a day in progress or a delay to a new day starting?
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Cruward_Darkeyes: i have no idea what to do here...*scratches head*
Posting would be a good start :P
Post edited November 30, 2011 by ViolatorX
Posted November 30, 2011
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ViolatorX: I'd like the deadline to be Dec 19th

With xmas coming up would it be easier or more difficult to have a day in progress or a delay to a new day starting?
Well its fine by me, and personally I prefer to have a day in progress. But that might just be me.
Posted November 30, 2011
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ViolatorX: I'd like the deadline to be Dec 19th

With xmas coming up would it be easier or more difficult to have a day in progress or a delay to a new day starting?
Personally? I'd say we wait and see as we get there, this time of year tends to be a bitch to judge time properly until you get down to the wire.
Posted December 01, 2011
So, we have three people not voting. Cruward, Sirprimalform, jefequeso. What's your opinion on what's going on, gentlemen?
Posted December 01, 2011
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bazilisek: So, we have three people not voting. Cruward, Sirprimalform, jefequeso. What's your opinion on what's going on, gentlemen?
Well, as I said before, I'm maintaining that Rod is town, because none of his actions would make any sense were he Mafia. Sure, some of them don't make sense if he were town, but I think that's the most logical explanation. If he is town, he's basically got power shooting out of his fingertips, and that alone could have caused him to reveal information that should have been kept secret. The number of "holes" in his story actually seem to speak more for his being town as well. I would guess that a mafia-manufactured role would be far less suspicious than the one that Rod is claiming, and they would be certain to make sure there are no apparent inconsistencies in it. In this case, I think the truth is stranger than fiction. And, I gather from what I hear, this turned out to be the case in a previous game in a similar situation.

All that being said, I can kinda understand people's wish to lynch him. I don't agree, but I'm also eager to get some solid information. So I'm just staying out of it for now and seeing what happens.
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