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jefequeso: What are Lover's usual win conditions?
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TwilightBard: Basically, the Lovers would win as long as they survive and either of their side wins.

Say, Lover A is Town, and Lover B is Mafia. If the Mafia wins, and the Lovers are still around, A wins. If B survives to the last day, is the last Mafia left, then he wins with A and it's a town victory. But if one dies, both are supposed to die. See why I'm very suspicious about this?
Well, that does seem to be a good reason to be suspicious. Heck, if I were in your place, I'd certainly suspect me. I don't think there's anything I can really say in my defense, besides that that was not how our roles were set up apparently. We were both town, and our win condition was that we win if all mafia are eliminated (I'm not using the exact wording to avoid any issues with the rules). It didn't mention anything about us both dying if one of us died. I only knew about that facet because Joe told me that that was how lover roles usually worked. I'm not sure exactly why X didn't abide by that, but...:P well, here I am!
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jefequeso: because Joe told me that that was how lover roles usually worked. I'm not sure exactly why X didn't abide by that, but...:P well, here I am!
When and how did Joe tell you this? Do lovers normally get to talk at night?
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jefequeso: because Joe told me that that was how lover roles usually worked. I'm not sure exactly why X didn't abide by that, but...:P well, here I am!
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SirPrimalform: When and how did Joe tell you this? Do lovers normally get to talk at night?
We had a forum set up by X. Like a private discussion board. I don't want to link to the site 'cause I'm not sure how close I am getting to overstepping the boundaries of the rules.
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SirPrimalform: When and how did Joe tell you this? Do lovers normally get to talk at night?
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jefequeso: We had a forum set up by X. Like a private discussion board. I don't want to link to the site 'cause I'm not sure how close I am getting to overstepping the boundaries of the rules.
So more Masons than Lovers?
Hmmmm.........
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Rodzaju: So more Masons than Lovers?
Hmmmm.........
Well, checking MafiaScum Wiki says that Lovers can have the ability to talk to each other, page is here Lovers. I'm just not sure what's going on in this situation though to be honest, and it's something that really bugged me.
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jefequeso: What are Lover's usual win conditions?
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TwilightBard: Basically, the Lovers would win as long as they survive and either of their side wins.

Say, Lover A is Town, and Lover B is Mafia. If the Mafia wins, and the Lovers are still around, A wins. If B survives to the last day, is the last Mafia left, then he wins with A and it's a town victory. But if one dies, both are supposed to die. See why I'm very suspicious about this?

@Cruward - The problem is, you called it a trap that you'd catch someone who tried to give a recap that wasn't accurate. Now, I see that we'd catch it, but how would you? How could you have been able to catch a recap that's slanted towards a wrong choice by making it seem like the best choice without reading posts?

And you haven't been as active as most people, but I've noticed you posting just enough to satisfy the time limit given. It may not be perfectly 36 hours, but it seems to be fairly close.
well for starters as to the 36 hours posting bit i really thought i was over the 36 and mod was being nice or something and for the trap thing it was just so that others could call them out
ahh this is something of an edit for the above i havent been geting that mutch sleep lately so i even when i read that i compleitly missd what you said so yeah just want to point out that
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jefequeso: We were both town, and our win condition was that we win if all mafia are eliminated (I'm not using the exact wording to avoid any issues with the rules). It didn't mention anything about us both dying if one of us died.
And what about the business about your role having changed slightly (#488)? How does that tie into it?
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NotFrenchYet: What worries me is what a few people have picked up on - that he's more worried about getting lynched than being nightkilled. That's a very scummy outlook.
I picked up on that fairly quickly, which was also one of the reasons I kept pushing him to explain why he thinks his survival is more important than town winning.

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TwilightBard: Basically, the Lovers would win as long as they survive and either of their side wins.

Say, Lover A is Town, and Lover B is Mafia. If the Mafia wins, and the Lovers are still around, A wins. If B survives to the last day, is the last Mafia left, then he wins with A and it's a town victory. But if one dies, both are supposed to die. See why I'm very suspicious about this?
Care to back this up with proof? I'm only asking cause I'm curious - and for two reasons. 1 - the mafiascum wiki page on lovers mention nothing about such a win condition, and 2 - that sort of win condition is directly opposing the Polygamist game setup.
Further, I'm slightly confused by your explanation. You mention if A is town and B is mafia, then both have to be alive in order to win, but that's against standard rules, unless it's a mafia win? I mean, town can only win if the mafia is gone? And how would that tie in with the mafia winning then? It seems more like you're suggesting that lovers are usually a third party or mafia role with a survivor win condition.
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jefequeso: We were both town, and our win condition was that we win if all mafia are eliminated (I'm not using the exact wording to avoid any issues with the rules). It didn't mention anything about us both dying if one of us died.
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bazilisek: And what about the business about your role having changed slightly (#488)? How does that tie into it?
I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to say without it being against the rules. Basically, I have a new posting guideline that is supposed to express my anguish. I'm not sure how it ties in to anything.
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NotFrenchYet: What worries me is what a few people have picked up on - that he's more worried about getting lynched than being nightkilled. That's a very scummy outlook.
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Damnation: I picked up on that fairly quickly, which was also one of the reasons I kept pushing him to explain why he thinks his survival is more important than town winning.

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TwilightBard: Basically, the Lovers would win as long as they survive and either of their side wins.

Say, Lover A is Town, and Lover B is Mafia. If the Mafia wins, and the Lovers are still around, A wins. If B survives to the last day, is the last Mafia left, then he wins with A and it's a town victory. But if one dies, both are supposed to die. See why I'm very suspicious about this?
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Damnation: Care to back this up with proof? I'm only asking cause I'm curious - and for two reasons. 1 - the mafiascum wiki page on lovers mention nothing about such a win condition, and 2 - that sort of win condition is directly opposing the Polygamist game setup.
Further, I'm slightly confused by your explanation. You mention if A is town and B is mafia, then both have to be alive in order to win, but that's against standard rules, unless it's a mafia win? I mean, town can only win if the mafia is gone? And how would that tie in with the mafia winning then? It seems more like you're suggesting that lovers are usually a third party or mafia role with a survivor win condition.
Here you go, they're under Linked, this goes off of the other flash that Z has a link to in the other topic, you'd get to this one by going into Roles and clicking the Various Mafia Roles button. It's not something I had to dig deep to find the first time, and it sort of stuck in my head.

As far as how it works, honestly I've never seen it in action and can't be positive, so I really can't help you there. I guess it would depend on the flavor text.
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TwilightBard: Snip for ease of reading...
The link that you posted says that "if either of the dies, the other commits suicide THE FOLLOWING NIGHT"

So perhaps this is straight up & Jefe will kill himself tonight?

Though the mafia wiki that I normally read doesn't mention this possibility....
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Rodzaju: The link that you posted says that "if either of the dies, the other commits suicide THE FOLLOWING NIGHT"

So perhaps this is straight up & Jefe will kill himself tonight?

Though the mafia wiki that I normally read doesn't mention this possibility....
Hm, ok, I must have missed that, and defiinitely missed it when I was posting earlier since I was in a hurry to go to visit family (I borrowed a laptop to post now, so not going to be reliable for the rest of the day). Alright then, guess that took the wind out of the sails of that argument.
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bazilisek: snip....

I'm still not convinced I want Rodzaju to be lynched. His claim is crazy suspicious, but this spotlight focus on him makes it way too easy for the scum to hide in the shadows. And in all probability there's at least three of them, you know.
Just had a reread and came across this - missed it first time.

Can you explain please Baz why you think theres at least three?
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Robbeasy: Can you explain please Baz why you think theres at least three?
I was wondering if someone was going to call me out on that one. I'm not really surprised to see you doing that, Rob.

Rule of thumb for most games is that ~25% of players are scum. Third party roles etc. can mess up with that number, but it is a good general guideline. There were 15 of us at the beginning of this game, of which 25% is 3.75. Note I'm saying "in all probability" in that post you've quoted; it's not definite, but until we learn more, I am going to presume there are 3 mafia members (to me, 4 seems rather excessive).

We seem to be stalling here a bit. I'm preparing a post, but I'm not sure when will I get to finalising it. Too much work again.