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Rodzaju: The point as I see it is that you BELIEVE that there are more than 1 mafia faction here, but you present it as a fact.
If you know it for a fact, how?
If not, your misrepresenting the situation & trying to railroad us into an unproven & potentially misleading premise.
I do not know it as a fact; I am basing the assumption on the four factions mentioned in ViolatorX's opening post. Maybe, I should have worded it differently, but I posted what I thought at the time.

We can have a conversation about the wording of posts again if you like. ;)
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Rodzaju: The point as I see it is that you BELIEVE that there are more than 1 mafia faction here, but you present it as a fact.
If you know it for a fact, how?
If not, your misrepresenting the situation & trying to railroad us into an unproven & potentially misleading premise.
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nmillar: I do not know it as a fact; I am basing the assumption on the four factions mentioned in ViolatorX's opening post. Maybe, I should have worded it differently, but I posted what I thought at the time.

We can have a conversation about the wording of posts again if you like. ;)
Threatening someone when they question you?
That's real townie behaviour, there....

Unvote (cos I can't remember if I'm currently voting anyone!); Vote Nmillar
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Rodzaju: Threatening someone when they question you?
That's real townie behaviour, there....

Unvote (cos I can't remember if I'm currently voting anyone!); Vote Nmillar
Accusing someone for mis-wording a post, exactly as you have done? Interesting. And a convenient bandwagon to draw attention away from yourself at the same time? Convenient. :)
Woah, déjà vu
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Damnation: Woah, déjà vu
It wouldn't be a mafia game without the traditional nmillar vs Rodzaju face-off! :P
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Rodzaju: Threatening someone when they question you?
That's real townie behaviour, there....

Unvote (cos I can't remember if I'm currently voting anyone!); Vote Nmillar
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nmillar: Accusing someone for mis-wording a post, exactly as you have done? Interesting. And a convenient bandwagon to draw attention away from yourself at the same time? Convenient. :)
First, I don't think I misworded the post.
Others didn't like the way I worded, but I ws comfortable with what I posted & was able to explain the reasons for it.
You, on the other hand, present speculation as fact & then back down & suggest it "Mis-worded".
Caught out perhaps?

I've been trying to push attention away from myself for several pages & have made no secret of the fact.
Concentrating on what I perhaps should not have said is doing more harm than good to the town, as I have said before.
I am happy that there is something else of substance to talk about for a while.
Thanks Damn for pointing it out.
I've been fire fighting so much that I missed it first time around.
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Rodzaju: First, I don't think I misworded the post.
Others didn't like the way I worded, but I ws comfortable with what I posted & was able to explain the reasons for it.
You, on the other hand, present speculation as fact & then back down & suggest it "Mis-worded".
Caught out perhaps?

I've been trying to push attention away from myself for several pages & have made no secret of the fact.
Concentrating on what I perhaps should not have said is doing more harm than good to the town, as I have said before.
I am happy that there is something else of substance to talk about for a while.
Thanks Damn for pointing it out.
I've been fire fighting so much that I missed it first time around.
I'm not backing down, and I don't think I mis-worded my post either; I believe, considering the number of people in this game, and the factions mentioned in ViolatorX's opening post, that there is more than one faction in this game. Why else would they be mentioned?

They are all described as criminal organisations (see the opening post), which suggests they are, in effect, groups of mafia. How many are in each of those groups, I don't know, but it seems perfectly obvious to me that at least three of them (if the fourth is eliminated because of ViolatorX's death) existing within this game.

So, yes, there (probably) are several factions running around; I think that's pretty obvious. You can call it speculation if you like, but I think it's pretty close to the truth.
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Damnation: snip.......

My reads are, however:

Town: None of you
Leaning town: Rodzaju
Uncertain: Bazilisek, TwilightBard, Cruward_darkeyes, jefequeso
Leaning Mafia: itai.sharim, QuadrAlien, Orryyrro, Grynn, Sir Primalform, Vitek
Mafia: JoeSapphire, nmillar

...snip
I've snipped all your reasonings, and you make some good points Damnation, but could I please ask exactly where do I fit into it all??

Poor old me - I've said before no-one ever takes any notice of me (other games) - and this proves it....;o)
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Robbeasy: I've snipped all your reasonings, and you make some good points Damnation, but could I please ask exactly where do I fit into it all??

Poor old me - I've said before no-one ever takes any notice of me (other games) - and this proves it....;o)
Who are you, stranger?
Have you just replaced in?

You are either more scummy than mafia or more towny than confirmed town.
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Vitek: You are either more scummy than mafia or more towny than confirmed town.
Or both, depending what mood he's in....

;-}
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Robbeasy: I've snipped all your reasonings, and you make some good points Damnation, but could I please ask exactly where do I fit into it all??

Poor old me - I've said before no-one ever takes any notice of me (other games) - and this proves it....;o)
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Vitek: Who are you, stranger?
Have you just replaced in?

You are either more scummy than mafia or more towny than confirmed town.
And there was me thinking I'd been quite active in this game as well...;o(
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Robbeasy: I've snipped all your reasonings, and you make some good points Damnation, but could I please ask exactly where do I fit into it all??

Poor old me - I've said before no-one ever takes any notice of me (other games) - and this proves it....;o)
Yeah.... I kinda try to ignore your existance due to the horrid thing I did to you in mafia 2... I still can't sleep at night...

Anyhow, bullshit aside, I am actually quite embarrassed that I completely missed you :p
My thoughts on you are fairly simple, really. I have no clue what you lean towards, which puts you in the middle (Do not worry, only those I strongly believe town, which is no one, are people I'm suspicious off :p). This is largely due to the fact that you tend to come in with good points during the heated discussion and have not seemed too forward in pushing others (The fact that you used me in order to provoke others is something I have no issue with, and if you actually had only voted for me just due to my inactivity, I would not even hold that against you).

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nmillar: So, yes, there (probably) are several factions running around; I think that's pretty obvious. You can call it speculation if you like, but I think it's pretty close to the truth.
I was the one who brought this up, and so I feel I should comment on this. No one is saying you do not BELIEVE it, no one is saying it is NOT possible, no one is saying how the game setup is, it's the fact that your statement indicated multiple mafia factions as fact, not as a theory that does not sit right with me. Had you clearly stated it was a theory or that it was highly likely there were multiple mafia factions, at least I would not have had any issue with it
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Damnation: I was the one who brought this up, and so I feel I should comment on this. No one is saying you do not BELIEVE it, no one is saying it is NOT possible, no one is saying how the game setup is, it's the fact that your statement indicated multiple mafia factions as fact, not as a theory that does not sit right with me. Had you clearly stated it was a theory or that it was highly likely there were multiple mafia factions, at least I would not have had any issue with it
And I already agreed that I could have worded it differently, but that just provoked an attack from Rodzaju. The bit I quoted in Post 39 (it's beginning to sound like some kind of scandal) implies that there are several factions, which up until my post people seemed to have missed (or ignored).

I stand by my conviction though; there IS more than one faction in this game. Prove me wrong.
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Damnation: I was the one who brought this up, and so I feel I should comment on this. No one is saying you do not BELIEVE it, no one is saying it is NOT possible, no one is saying how the game setup is, it's the fact that your statement indicated multiple mafia factions as fact, not as a theory that does not sit right with me. Had you clearly stated it was a theory or that it was highly likely there were multiple mafia factions, at least I would not have had any issue with it
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nmillar: And I already agreed that I could have worded it differently, but that just provoked an attack from Rodzaju. The bit I quoted in Post 39 (it's beginning to sound like some kind of scandal) implies that there are several factions, which up until my post people seemed to have missed (or ignored).

I stand by my conviction though; there IS more than one faction in this game. Prove me wrong.
DUH!!
Of course there is more than 1 faction.
We have town & we have Mafia.
That's 2 that we know of!
;-}
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Rodzaju: DUH!!
Of course there is more than 1 faction.
We have town & we have Mafia.
That's 2 that we know of!
;-}
How can you be sure, though? Mafia 7 didn't have any mafia faction, it had town and a bunch of unaligned wresting for victory, who's not to say the factions ViolatorX mentioned do not function in somewhat similar fashion?