There was no mafia kill on night 2, so I assume whoever was carrying out the kill that night was blocked. I think bazilisek prevented you carrying out the kill.

Last night, there were 2 deaths, ergo 2 killers - you and Zchinque.

Well, your reasoning is certainly solid. Flawless, in fact. But you are wrong.

Oh, but the same applies to Damnation right? So your point is that if damnation refuses he is scum, but you not doing it means your town? So what your actually saying is one of two things: You believe Damnation (who have been confirmed by another source) to be a more likely scum, than you who are only claimed by yourself. And the proof we should accept that for is that you know your town hence don't want to hammer. Actually in my opinion offering to be hammer of one suspected as scum, knowing that doing so will kill you is more townish. But since I don't see SPF being scum, due to balance - I don't see how that would hold.

You did however quite willingly accept that argument from Baz without commenting on it.
Which is also a very flawed argument, as it sounds like Baz wants to kill 2 people, allow for a nightkill to happen - in order to check nmillars claim? So basically want to kill everyone nmillar has a case about? Why? nmillar already have 2 confirmed cases, Damnation already confirmed his and same goes around for SPF. How many mafias does Baz believe to be in the game? And also you for that matter. If that was to make any sense then we're calculating with 3 more (nmillar, Damnation and SPF)? I find that doubtful.

In regards of the reasons for why you want the lynch of SPF as you do (mostly talking to Baz here). I can understand it and I would agree - IF if could see it make any sense in balance.
But consider: We have two mafia factions, which in total had a rolecop, a hammer and a roleblocker. Pretty decent + there was also a traitor. Now town had a universal backup (useless unless someone died), A jack-of-all-trades and two paranoid roles (cop/doctor).

In my opinion placing a Vengeful bomb (we know 100% certain he must be) as scum with that setup, wouldn't make sense - And as such, even though I was suspecting SPF as scum, I consider him town due to that.
Damnation has been claimed by nmillar to be town. I don't believe nmillar to be scum, hence I believe both of those to be town.
However: Baz (we don't really have a proof of you being town..), Jef (We don't have any proof of town and if anything we have reason to suspect him, due to knowing that we had no nightkill on a day he was blocked (paranoid doc ;) )), Zchinque (we have no proof either), Red Baron (We know he killed someone, I know what I am, but for others we don't have any proof either).
So yea - I believe the choice will be among those.

On another subject: NFY I was referring to the post by Baz here:
Hope the post makes sense, it got a little jumbled together.

As the kids say these days: Holy sophism, Batman!
Yes, the exact same applies to Damnation.
See:
It would be stupid for me to say "Guys, I'm just vanilla - I'll hammer!". It would be stupid for Damnation to say "Guys, I'm just vanilla - I'll hammer!"
It would not be stupid for me to hammer, if the majority of the players want me to, because they think I'm a likely scum suspect. It would not be stupid for Damnation to hammer, if the majority of the players want him to, because they think him a likely scum suspect. My not doing what?
And my point has nothing to do with Damnation. My point is that if the designated hammerer, as chosen by the town, refuses to hammer, they should be lynched instead. That's only one thing.
And you're trying to trick me into saying something I haven't. I have not argued that Damnation should hammer, as I already told you in our last little chat. I doubt anyone wants to hammer a claimed a bomb. And in my opinion, offering to hammer would be completely idiotic. Surely you see the difference between offering to hammer, and being chosen by the town to hammer, because the town think you are a likely scum suspect. Baz has quite clearly stated that he is suspicious of Damnation, so he's not suggesting for him to hammer only because he is a claimed vanilla.

However, the point that placing a bomb on a mafia would be a strange decision by the mod, a point first brought up by SPF, does hold some value. So I might have to rethink my stance on that.

@nmillar: You still haven't answered my question on whether or not your role name is "vanilla townie".

Also looking forward to hearing Baz' big idea.

Tentative night actions list:

Night 1:
A Shattered Hand Mafia kills Joe.
Baz protects himself.
NFY investigates Baz.
"Red_Baron" roleblocks nmillar, but is blocked.

Night 2
Bazilisek protects Jefe.
NFY investigates Jefe.
Baron 1-shot vigs Vitek.

Night 3
Remaining Shattered Hand kills Robbeasy.
??? kills TwilightBard.
Baz protects himself, but is blocked.
NFY investigates Primal.
Baron commutes.

Did I forget anything?

Conclusions:
@nmillar: you can't claim jefe is mafia based on the fact that he was protect-blocked on night 2 - TB's block on night 2 is unaccounted for.

@Baron: Since Rod's flavour was rather explanatory, I'm curious about your flavour. Why are you "Mr Fix-It"? Where was the comfy chair and stuff you found last night? Why did you have a crossbow? How would you protect someone with the Doctor ability?

Etc:
@Baz, out of interest, how did you work out that I was Angelo?

Ok, here's what I don't get... you aren't sure about Baz, yet you're using his claims as evidence against me? How do you know that he really protected who he says he did? (Although I can attest to the fact that I was indeed "roleblocked" by Baz).

And last I knew, we had jut as much reason to believe that Baz is town as we do to believe that Nmillar is town (I believe both). And I think we've already established that although Nmillar can give information about people, his flavor isn't a good way to determine who is scum and who isn't. Look at what he had about Twilight Bard--"TwilightBard - Romano Gambiani, Roleblocker, no criminal record." Yet he turned out to be scum. What makes you so certain that Damnation isn't a similar case?

Regardless, you've been on my scum list for awhile now. You just come across very...wrong. And your claim seems to me to be the most flimsy (that whole "I left messages for X as a joke" thing doesn't cfonvince me in the least).

@NotFrenchYet I don't think that TB blocked the night 2 nightkill, because by all reasoning the NKing mafia should have been the one that he was part of. So either we have another roleblocker out there, or something wacky happened during the night.

Several smaller things:

- Grynn's "I'm getting too old for this shit" in #10, the catchphrase of Danny Glover's character in the Lethal Weapon series who is, of course, a cop. And this is coming from someone whose forum title is a quote from Predator, so it's safe to assume he's familiar with 80s action flicks.

- Twice throughout day one, in #133 and #177, Rodzaju the lyncher eagerly jumped on grynn for very minor things, even though much more important matters were being discussed. I know Rodzaju claimed he did not know who Angelo was, but as I have said some time ago, I refuse to believe that, as a blind lyncher makes no sense at all.

- The most important thing, however, is something that really jumps at you only when you read through the thread retrospectively: pretty much the only person who ever mentions the issue of Angelo's sanity is you, NFY. My notes show a scribble to this effect for posts #693, #1035 and #1093, but I'm pretty sure there were more than that. No one else brings up this point with such frequency (or at all, really). It's pretty simple to reach a conclusion from that.

And yeah, I'm working on the big idea. I've had a rather busy day at work, but I should be able to get to it later today. It's going to be another wall of text, I'm afraid; my "terse mode" switch appears to be broken.

That's a good point... Perhaps there's a redirector on the loose?

Baz, thanks for that.

Either I have forgotten about this (possible), or it's a new piece of information. You have some flavour from night two? Could you elaborate, please?

Elaborate on what, specifically? I have flavor from night 2 that describes you ushering me back to your place and giving me pills that knock me out until the next morning.

Why did you receive said flavour?

It's not normal to recieve flavor when someone uses a night action on you?

Not unless you would have received one anyway, i.e. you were carrying out a night action of your own. At least that's the way things are done on this site.

(Please reply with a filler post, I have the WOT all typed up and don't want to wait.)

There are certain key parts of my role that I left out of my claim. And I did so for a reason. I doubt it will do any good having said this, but pushing me for this information is only going to be harmful.

Except that now that I've said this, a least some of you have probably figured out what's going on.