Feel free to.

It's not only about you claiming vengeful bomb, you see. It's about your performance throughout the entire game. I'd probably be advocating your lynch even without the whole mass claim thing.

But I'm stopping here for now, lest we start going in circles.

I agree, I haven't been much help in this game. Normally I'd be fine with being lynched for that reason, I only feel this is an anti-town lynch is because of the aforementioned bomb. I'm finished for now too, unless someone else comes along with some new thoughts on the 'plan'.

I'm sorry, but this has to be said - the stupidity levei s OVER NINE THOUSAND!

How exactly do we know Zchinque is not going along with this because he, himself is mafia? How do we know you are not mafia, baz?

Even, my main suspect right now is jef, because of the circumstances of your protection of him, baz. In fact, when you protected him (and going by you being paranoid and Red being a jack with a vigilantism ability), the only kill was Vitek, the kill claimed by Red, as such, there were no mafia night kills - remember, you roleblocked jefe by being paranoid. But somehow, I won't bother explaining this any further, consider me part of your insane plot, for it most certainly is going to prove how incredible stupid it actually is. If SirPrimalform turns out to be scum, I will stand corrected and will swallow my words, if he flips town, I will hold it to you in every other game we play together from now on though. So go on ahead and put your votes on him, I will gladly hammer him.

I do agree with the motivations, but I think Zchinque should be the hammer. After all, he's also (allegedly) Vanilla Town ...

Okay, gotta say that this is by far the stupidest idea I've seen in this game. And even suggesting it earns scum points to the people, no matter who they are.

Also the arguments from Baz which is very odd. First the argument is that Damnation is town so they will only lose a town if SPF is scum, then the argument is that lynching SFM means that if Damnation is town then thats another scum. BUT if he is town and SPF is town, then your doing one thing, and only one thing: Killing two towns and potentially 3 towns (due to nightkill).. Thats not a good idea. At best I see this idea as mafias attempt to get rid of the obvious high chance town has of winning by eliminating most of them.

And talking about majority will lynch Damnation if he doesn't hammer.. well I can already count 3 people who won't.. Myself, SPF and Damnation himself. And considering your only two people suggesting this mad scheme I doubt very much you'll get it going, unless you provide some much much more convincing arguments.

I for one was suspicious of SPF, but lynching him this way is not good. I would personally prefer to lynch jef. I see way more reason for that one.

Also why kill damnation because he is "just vanilla" when we have another "just vanilla" who haven't even been confirmed by a another player.. Oh wait, that might be because he is in on this idea -> I am looking at you Zchinque..

Its also odd the mention of jef being roleblocked on night one, anyone point to a post by jef where he claims that? I might have missed it -> But if true thats in my opinion another point against jef.

Yay for making people angry!

I'll respond later. Now I have to do stuff I actually get paid for :)

And yes guess if we get lucky it works, but in that case: Zchinque makes more sense as hammer.. only argument against damnation seems to be that nmillar claimed/confirmed his role. With nmillar being the one that so far has been proven right twice and with the two others he have info on agrees with the info, I don't find that being on his list of info suspect.

Repeat, since it got lost in that flurry: nmillar, if I guess how the files are selected, are you allowed to confirm?

Here goes anyway: I think it's something to do with my choices. Let's compare:

frenchie's investigations:
1: 12. Baz
2: 6. Jefe
3: 3. Primal

nmillar's files:
Day 1: 4. Orry
Day 2: 13. Damnation
Day 3: 7. Twilight Bard
Day 4: 3. Primal

Do you follow me? It looks like there's a couple of mechanics in play here, but it definitely seems linked to my investigative choices. Which makes a lot of sense really. If we figure it out properly we both become a lot more useful.

Re the bomb... You guys all noticed that Robbeasy was a Hammerer, right?

Baron: I don't think Jefe has ever mentioned anything about being roleblocked. That came from Baz's coming striaght out with the protection/block claim early on D3. I'm against lynching him.

I'm not sure where I stand on the bomb plot... If it goes well, it goes very very well. If it fails, that's three townies down, as Baron pointed out. worst case scenario, we're at 5 living tomorrow morning, which could easily be LyLo if there are two more scum running around. The risk is extremely high. but I'm glad you threw it out there Baz because it seems to have provoked some interesting reactions.

More later from me too; I'll be chewing this over...

Okay, you two Danish hotheads. Let's apply some cold hard logic here.

Train of thought A:
A1. We have to lynch someone today.
A2. At this point, it would be excessively foolish to lynch nmillar, NotFrenchYet or myself.

Train of thought B:
B1. SirPrimalform cannot be trusted. Both of our investigation roles have expressed their doubts about him. He makes bombs, for god's sake.
B2. SirPrimalform will not be nightkilled.
B3. Ergo, SirPrimalform must be lynched.
B4. SirPrimalform is the Vengeful Bomb, meaning his lynch will inevitably take out another player.
B5. Ergo, the lynch of SirPrimalform should take place as soon as possible.

Here the trains meet:
A+B1. Today's lynch should be SirPrimalform.
A+B2. The hammerer should be someone we would otherwise lynch today.

When I said Damnation should drop the hammer, I was merely expressing my preference. A semi-vote, if you will. Zchinque is a fine choice too; I'm not stupid and I don't trust him, as I have said in #1397. But as I see it, there are just four acceptable candidates here at this point: Zchinque, Red_Baron, jefequeso and Damnation. And I do not want to lynch RB or jefe.

If you see a flaw in my reasoning, please point it out.

If it wasn't for the language barrier, then mistakes would be less frequent.

Oh, I've just had an idea. A big one. But I've got to run now, so take this as a teaser for (hopefully) later today. I've got to think this through and write it down, but I think it will be an interesting read.

A suggestion for you nmillar: Stop going around with your cloak and dagger, and take me on instead.

Also, @people arguing against using SPF's claimed bomb ability*:
This is essentially the same discussion as ended up in a no-lynch in game #1. Yes, it is possible that both SPF and the hammerer is town. So what? Any lynch has the possibility of being on a townie. As long as we do this the right way - that is, the majority is fine with both lynching SPF and the designated hammerer - it is effectively two lynches, while the scum only get one nightkill.

*Disregard if your stance is as it is because you think SPF is town.

I don't know why you do, as I have not voiced that I want Damnation to hammer.
The point here is not to have someone who has claimed vanilla be the hammerer. The point is to have someone we think is scum be the hammerer. Big, big difference.

Silly question. If I - knowing my own alignment - volunteer to hammer, I'm taking away the chance for the town to double lynch. There's no reason any townie should offer themselves up to hammer as that takes away the benefit of a double lynch. Did I ever say I wasn't? If the majority deem me a likely scum suspect, I have no problem hammering SPF. But saying "Guys, I'm only vanilla, so I can hammer!" would be downright stupid.

(I had a post ready, then I accidentally closed the window. :< I'll rewrite it (in notepad) when I've stopped sulking...)