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Posted January 31, 2012
I believe this earlier quote of nmillars answers the question Zchinque, also you make an interesting point with that theory. I agreed earlier with the 2 mafias in a faction, but how it all goes down is hard to know. There could be some balancing aspect we don't know of yet - what that could be I have no clue.. although there seems to be a good level of power located in town hands and if the mafia for instance has to kill each other first before being able to then get a victory over town, as I suggested earlier, it might be more balanced.

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nmillar: I do know the player name, character name and role, but I haven't revealed any of this as the "no criminal record" suggests that they're a Town power role.
He doesn't get alignment, but judges based on criminal record.

Just a quote of interest I didn't really notice before:
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Zchinque: Why on earth would you out Damnation as vanilla?
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nmillar: To verify the information. If the mafia do decide to take out Damnation during the night phase, then all power roles are safe.
That one was a little odd, I understand not revealing the power roles, although you did breadcrumb them, but wouldn't they also still be able to take out you? In your own words your a power role as well, so not all power roles would be safe. But yea I likely just over thinking stuff here, its just an odd post to me.

In regards of the quote of yours Damnation, I believe I almost explicitly have stated the answer to that multiple times before. In regards of Baz.. Hmm I'll have to re-read that again.
Posted February 01, 2012
Good analysis there, Zchinque. I was thinking along the same lines, just not as structured. I'd say there might be a third survivor-type one man mafia running around, or something along those lines, but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it (if there is one).

Regarding nmillar: I've been thinking, and I need the input of others on whether you think it's a good idea or not, but I feel he should share at least some of his information. Specifically, the names and corresponding players, but NOT roles. The reason is that names are fairly safe to divulge (though we cannot be entirely sure about that) and we'd get tons of information for cross-checking, both of nmillar's claim and everyone else's. An exception would have to be made for Angelo Cervi, as that's the only name out in the open that should not be linked to a player just yet.

Do you think the potential benefits of this are greater than the potential harm it could do? I think they are, but I'm not sure.
Posted February 01, 2012
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bazilisek: Good analysis there, Zchinque.
To quote the WIFOM scene from The Princess Bride: "Wait till I get going!"

It feels like the game is at, or at least approaching, the stage where we can almost figure it out, all we need to do is connect all the pieces.

Right now I'm waiting to hear from nmillar whether or not his investigation makes it clear that Damnation is vanilla or if it is something he has inferred from flavour.
Posted February 01, 2012
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Damnation: Now, for Red_Baron... He has said his vigilantism is a one-shot ability. He's either lying or he ha multiple abilities.
I can't have been the only person who came to that conclusion as well, but seriously, what good does this do out in the open? If you read back you'll notice Baron was irritated at having to strongly hint that this is the case after being pushed by Orry, #937

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Red_Baron: Yes, I said that the ability was a one shot, I never said anything about anything else.. (I really shouldn't have to cut this out in paper, but seems like Orryyrro is trying very hard to fish for it).
Very nice reasoning there, Zchinque. I'd also be interested as to whether nmillar is inferring from flavour.

Baz, did I read that right? Are you calling for nmillar to reveal player names and character names, but not roles? .. It strikes me that this might be more valuable in terms of cross checking if it's saved until AFTER someone claims. Also, since Bard and Orry are now dead there's only Damn and the 4th person for whom this applies.
Posted February 01, 2012
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NotFrenchYet: Baz, did I read that right? Are you calling for nmillar to reveal player names and character names, but not roles? .. It strikes me that this might be more valuable in terms of cross checking if it's saved until AFTER someone claims. Also, since Bard and Orry are now dead there's only Damn and the 4th person for whom this applies.
Depends on whom you're inclined to trust more. It's extremely easy for scum-nmillar to pretend, once a name is revealed, that this was the information he had all along; it's not as easy the other way around, because more people are involved, some of them presumably townies with no reason to lie who would object to a made-up name. And on the other hand, if nmillar is town and telling the truth, it locks down the possibility of some potential falseclaims. Note that Rob and the Bard shared the same last name; this technique would have caught them.

As I said, I'm not sure about the idea. You're right there aren't that many of us left, though, that's a good point. We could end up outing poor Angelo without really intending to.
Posted February 01, 2012
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bazilisek: Depends on whom you're inclined to trust more. It's extremely easy for scum-nmillar to pretend, once a name is revealed, that this was the information he had all along; it's not as easy the other way around, because more people are involved, some of them presumably townies with no reason to lie who would object to a made-up name. And on the other hand, if nmillar is town and telling the truth, it locks down the possibility of some potential falseclaims. Note that Rob and the Bard shared the same last name; this technique would have caught them.

As I said, I'm not sure about the idea. You're right there aren't that many of us left, though, that's a good point. We could end up outing poor Angelo without really intending to.
Aha, I see where you're coming from. If he's mafia, he'd presumably falsify his evidence in order to lynch a townie - i.e. maintain that their claim does not match his information. However, if he's already given us his information, he can no longer twist it, and it would have to be a dumb mafioso indeed to deliberately pick the name which is already given.

I was thinking more from the other perspective, the fact that we'll only actually have a name for 1 other person... But I understand your point now - regardless, that's potentially one less element to be target for a falseclaim later. Plus it seems there might be more of us who have been given names in flavour - bazilisek, you yourself got Jefe's name when you blocked him.
Posted February 01, 2012
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Zchinque: Since the cat is already out of your bag, how certain are you that Damnation is vanilla? Is it spelled out that he has no abilities, or is it something you have inferred from flavour or similar?

This could be an important piece in my puzzle.
It is strongly implied in the flavour text.

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bazilisek: It's extremely easy for scum-nmillar to pretend, once a name is revealed
I could also claim it's Angelo (it's not).

I'm not sure whether revealing the name will be beneficial at this stage, or whether I should stick to my current method of revealing information, but if the majority want a name then I'll be happy to provide it.

All I will say on the matter for now is that it is another power role, but considering how wrong I was about TwilightBard, I don't know whether it's a town or mafia one
Posted February 01, 2012
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nmillar: I could also claim it's Angelo (it's not).
Yeah, I really ought to learn to count. There's just one left, correct?

Day 1: Orryyrro
Day 2: TwilightBard
Day 3: Damnation
Day 4: ??

Is that it?
Posted February 01, 2012
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nmillar: I could also claim it's Angelo (it's not).
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bazilisek: Yeah, I really ought to learn to count. There's just one left, correct?

Day 1: Orryyrro
Day 2: TwilightBard
Day 3: Damnation
Day 4: ??

Is that it?
Correct.
Posted February 01, 2012
Bumping, for great justice
Posted February 01, 2012
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nmillar: I could also claim it's Angelo (it's not).
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bazilisek: Yeah, I really ought to learn to count. There's just one left, correct?

Day 1: Orryyrro
Day 2: TwilightBard
Day 3: Damnation
Day 4: ??

Is that it?
Correction; Damnation was Day 2 and TwilightBard was Day 3.
Posted February 01, 2012
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nmillar: Correct.
Okay, then ignore what I said. I was carrying this idea in my head since you outed Damnation and the playing field was different. Now that there's only one guy left, it doesn't make as much sense.
Posted February 01, 2012
Well, I wouldn't mind the name.. only the name though. But you said last that you've also get player name, so my main reason for wanting it is to check if its me :) Hence the truth of your saying (I don't doubt that much, but hey :D). So yea, I guess you could also just say if its me or not :) But name works fine as well.
Posted February 01, 2012
Ah! Baz, that's an interesting point you bring up in #1280 about a single-player 3rd mafia faction - wouldn't that explain the traitor?

Okie dokie. I was re-reading with tea and nutella, and in the depths of the thread, I found this:
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Robbeasy: I'll Unvote Sir now as it was only a silly prod to get him to stop lurking. Although he has been , quite a lot. Not a deal of scumhunting coming from over there at all, in fact...
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SirPrimalform: Apart from y'know, pressing Baron on his whole PM thing. :P
Except, y'know, this is the only piece of serious scum hunting you've done the whole time... ;)

I thought there was something odd about the pressure on Baron when he paraphrased his PM - out of the three people applying serious pressure, two are now confirmed mafia. SirPrimalform! A moment of your time, please.

Now, I know for fact that you've had genuine reasons for absence (jeez I sound like a teacher!), which is why I'm not calling you out for that.

But I read back for Primal-posts, and some of them do seem rather off. For example, #541:
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SirPrimalform: /snip
I doubt the "Shattered Hand Clan" are the guys who set the bomb that killed our leader.
Wha? What was the basis for that deduction? And what relevence did/does it have to anything?

Primal also vaguely supported a night 0 theory until Violator stepped in to clarify (#550, #176).

Otherwise his posting tends to follow one of two forumlae: either agreeing with the quoted poster (e.g. , [url=http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/gog_forum_mafia_9/post926]#926, ), or suggesting alternatives to the quoted idea (e.g. [url=http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/gog_forum_mafia_9/post490]#490 ,#610), without actually offering anything of his own.

... including full reads. He states his supicions occasionally but hardly ever votes to back them up (e.g. and [url=http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/gog_forum_mafia_9/post889]#889, and has never actually posted a full read on everyone. He was miles way from all three lynches.

Let's go.

Vote Primal for ridiculously unconstructive play.

(Lots of code in there - praying my fifty million links don't break and make this murder to read...)
Posted February 01, 2012
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NotFrenchYet: Snip.
I don't want to go into too much detail just yet in case I'm wrong, but something you mentioned does suggest the person I have information about is scum ... I'm nowhere near 100% sure at the moment, so I'm going to have to reference the mafia wiki before I commit to anything. Don't have much time this evening, but your post has definitely given me food for thought while I'm at work tomorrow.
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