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Posted January 18, 2012
Just in the interest of seeing how this develops, I'm going to unvote.
Posted January 18, 2012
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Robbeasy: I'm going to ask you for your role nmillar.
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nmillar: I work for the Criminal Records Bureau of Idyllia, and have been assigned to work on the Dimitar Cade case (our beloved President). At the beginning of Day 1 (i.e. in my role PM), Orryyrro's criminal record file was left on my desk, which links him to The Shattered Hand mafia.

Each morning, I get another criminal record file left on my desk. I don't get to choose whose I get as this is determined by something I'm not allowed to mention.

Night 1: Damnation - Gabriel Bortez. Runs a cafe. His only criminal activity was possession of cannabis 5 years ago.

Night 2: xxxxxxxx - xxxxxxxx. No criminal record.
After all that fuss about being fished you came out with that pretty smoothly... -_-

Just an observation and reminder - everyone seems to be overlooking the fact that nmillar has info on three people - one town, one scum, and one unknown power role.

Out of interest, do you actually know the alignment of the power role? I'm NOT asking you for it, I'm just curious as to why you got one "unknown".
Posted January 18, 2012
I do not like this at all. But it seems lynching Orry might be the best way out of it. Not until after we've heard from him, though.
Posted January 18, 2012
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bazilisek: I do not like this at all. But it seems lynching Orry might be the best way out of it. Not until after we've heard from him, though.
Yeah, but don't forget that the LAST time we lynched for information, it didn't actually end up giving as anything but one more dead townie.
Posted January 18, 2012
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NotFrenchYet: Out of interest, do you actually know the alignment of the power role? I'm NOT asking you for it, I'm just curious as to why you got one "unknown".
It wasn't explicitly stated. The fact that s/he has "no criminal record" suggests they're town aligned though.
Posted January 18, 2012
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jefequeso: Yeah, but don't forget that the LAST time we lynched for information, it didn't actually end up giving as anything but one more dead townie.
Though in this case, nmillar would have to be directly lying about orryyrro while being town for that to be true again. Otherwise will either lynch the scum first or second, still assuming that nmillar is either.

Well, I've already shared some my and is kind of a known power role and I just checked my story, I've been in a war, but no criminal record as far as I can see in my story from pm. For dunno if I am even able to see one if there was one, could be X is just making it up as he goes, but that is an option.. but since you got no name or anything in regards of the unknown its hard for me to confirm if its true or not..
Posted January 18, 2012
I was at a sort of birthday party most of yesterday and all of today so I probably won't be catching up until tomorrow, but I'm here now. Have their been any massive developments since monday night (GMT) that I need to be aware of right now?
Posted January 18, 2012
*there - don't know how I managed to type their, it annoys the hell out of me that I can't fix it. :P


Never mind about my previous post, I've caught up now. There wasn't as much activity as I'd assumed...

I agree with whoever said that the "waiting for LYLO" excuse is either poorly thought out or suspicious.
Posted January 19, 2012
ggggr - Where for art thou, oh Orrryyrrrooo?.....
Posted January 19, 2012
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ViolatorX: To Confirm

There wasnt a night 0 in this next game

Next game I do WILL have a night 0 though, something ive been pondering how to implement
This just requires me to go off on a totally unrelated tangential...

In one game, which i only read, I didn't have the privilege of playing in it, there was a full night 0 (in other words, the mafia were allowed to kill). One player was a motivator (he can target a player, if that player has a night action he gets another use of it that night), and, seeing as there had been no day and as such no reads to be had, he decided to target another who was known for being somewhat rash and not always making the best decisions. The idea was that if this player was mafia, and performing the nightkill, he would hopefully act rash enough to perform the second kill - which immediately would out him as mafia to the motivator.

Day 1 breaks, Town Cop and the very same Motivator turn up dead, both killed by a highly motivated and over-eager Vigilante.

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jefequeso: That indeed does come across as very suspicious. What happened night one was that Rico (Joe) died, and my character went home to get buzzed up on drugs then commit suicide. In my drug-induced state, I thought Rico talked to me and told me not to kill myself, but to live on to find those who are responsible for his death. I also have a posting regulation. My win condition hasn't changed, and as far as I know my Lover's role hasn't changed either.

Which is very odd...after all, what's the point of designating two people as lovers if you aren't going to actually follow through on the lover role? But at this point it seems like X is pulling a lot of odd stunts. My only real defense is that, were I really a Mafia member, claiming lover when nobody has any suspicions of me would probably be one of the stupidest things I could do. It would thrust me into the limelight for roleclaiming, could be disproved by the other lover, and would be disproved the day afterwards when I didn't die. It seems as though claiming lover period was a bad move, but I was hoping to keep everyone from wasting their time trying to figure out who the other lover was, and concentrate on hunting mafia. I see now that that was probably the wrong decision to make, but...
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TwilightBard: I...don't buy it. If it's true, I'm gonna be surprised, but as you said at the start, what's the point of having a lover role if it's not followed through? Something about it doesn't fit right, and this could fall so many ways. But I don't think the mod would start changing roles in the middle of the game.

Vote Jefequeso under Lynch all Liars, because I don't believe the explanation one bit
Oh my, this is one really terrible vote.

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Orryyrro: Well, I think he should be lynched on principle, he did undermine the spirit of the game, whether intentional or not it shouldn't be allowed to slip by. I do think he's scum though, and well no with the inconsistency with the paraphrase/quote he's looking even more scummy.
Goddammit, people on this site really need to get off their high horse, and stop claiming people should be lynched "on principle" all the time. The intention of the game is to lynch scum, not lynch whoever breaks some unwritten rule.

Anyways, on to more relevant stuff.

I'm pretty much caught up at long last. Took way longer than it should have, and for little benefit.

I really don't like how nmillar has played this, assuming he is town. Why on earth would you out Damnation as vanilla?
But yeah, pretty much need to hear from Orry before making any firm conclusions about it.
Posted January 19, 2012
I have a question. What exactly is the problem with outing someone as Town? It's not like it gives the Mafia any more information than they already have, and it just helps Town not to mislynch.
Posted January 19, 2012
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jefequeso: I have a question. What exactly is the problem with outing someone as Town? It's not like it gives the Mafia any more information than they already have, and it just helps Town not to mislynch.
As I understand it, nmillar had the choice between outing a townie or a mafia, and he chose the townie. THAT is problematic...
Posted January 19, 2012
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jefequeso: I have a question. What exactly is the problem with outing someone as Town? It's not like it gives the Mafia any more information than they already have, and it just helps Town not to mislynch.
It does give them one less to suspect as a power-role, while town not knowing who is scum and who is not, will not gain the same certain information. Of course nmillar could also be some sort of thirdparty knowing of another thirdpart trying to protect themselves, but that would be a little far fetched to say it the least.
Posted January 19, 2012
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Red_Baron: It does give them one less to suspect as a power-role, while town not knowing who is scum and who is not, will not gain the same certain information.
Yep. The "Vanilla" part is the problem, not so much the "Town" bit.
Posted January 19, 2012
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jefequeso: I have a question. What exactly is the problem with outing someone as Town? It's not like it gives the Mafia any more information than they already have, and it just helps Town not to mislynch.
As Baz says, outing Damnation as town is not a problem. Saying that he is vanilla is a problem.
Revealing Damnation as town would likely put him high on the list of choices for the mafia nightkill. Saying that he is vanilla - not so much. (Hint: The mafia spending their time killing vanillas is good for town)

And even if the mafia didn't go after Damnation for confirmed townieness, it still narrows down the choices for hitting power roles.
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