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JoeSapphire: The shadow of the stone pillars falls out, creeping across the ground.

Day Five Third Votecount
With seven alive it takes four votes to lynch.

1 - Xyem (cast by LittleRabbit)
1 - Vitek (cast by Rodzaju)

Not Voting - Vitek, NotFrenchYet, Pazzer, xyem, SirPrimalform

Xyem and Vitek are tied closest to lynch at L-3



Hey I can't help but notice that post 932 has been editted. What's all that about?
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SirPrimalform: Oi, I voted for Xyem as well. This is the second time you've forgotten to count my votes.
Ridiculously sorry! Next time I won't just make it up based on what I remember and I'll actually do the damn thing properly. I Promise.
Don't read anything into any of this guys. I'm just getting lazy. I will sort my life out.
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xyem: @SirPrimalform: You know you're lurking when even the moderator doesn't notice you posted :P

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I still find it quite strange that despite the explicit agreement and obvious support to lynch me.. people are still pushing to lynch me now instead of doing it closer to the deadline. Surely those extra days would be better spent finding out mafia members? Or am I missing something?
Haha, yes. Although that would place the blame on everyone else rather than me. You're all making me lurk by not noticing my posts!

I'm not actually pushing to lynch you now, I voted to try and get you to claim. I still don't really buy the "unable to claim under any circumstances" post restriction. Especially since apparently the post restriction prevents you from saying what will happen if you break it, which is just silly.

Of course, if you turn out to be town like Orry we can all take it in turns kicking Joe in the kidneys.
Sorry for being so brief today. I was gaming all day so I only popped here for a few minutes each time.

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pazzer: @Vitek Do you have a post restriction that prevents you fully claiming or all you just been difficult?
No post restriction. Just being difficult. :-P

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SirPrimalform: A possibility that just occurred to me now though is that they might have been a town/scum pair... this could explain the cruel win condition?
This sound interesting. Being mafia and masoned with town who has to survive sounds like good role gameplay-wise. Of course why would mafia kill him then...

OK, I am confused here. Pazzer your post about lynching all liers, who is supposed to be lier there? I presumed you mean NFY but post 953 confuses me.

@NFY, Why did you changed your mind back then and "wanted" to unvote him?
Your response doesn't exactly answer xyem's question. You defended yourself for lynching townie by saing you wanted to unvote him while he got to L-1. You had the opportunity before as you posted after pazzer's vote and passed on it.

Does someone remember how much time passed between pazzer's and xyem's vote back then? O think not too much but I am not sure.
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NotFrenchYet: Did I read that right? You brought up "Lynch all liars" in response to Rod wondering if it's worth asking for an explanation? o.O
Yep, assumed that was what Rod's post meant. So was just agreeing.

@Xyem Pretty sure all I've said is “I think enough people are happy to lynch Xyem”. Would love to vote for you as it's the logical choice. But after getting Muttly situation so wrong and feeling guilty. As wouldn't have voted if he'd posted an argument against Rodzaju I don't want to make the same mistake. I know it makes no sense and I'm probably wrong but there you go.

@Vietk Yep meant NotFrenchYet.
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Vitek: /snip
@NFY, Why did you changed your mind back then and "wanted" to unvote him?
Your response doesn't exactly answer xyem's question. You defended yourself for lynching townie by saing you wanted to unvote him while he got to L-1. You had the opportunity before as you posted after pazzer's vote and passed on it.

Does someone remember how much time passed between pazzer's and xyem's vote back then? O think not too much but I am not sure.
If you'd all rather I spelled out my train of thought, here goes. Bare in mind due to lack of time stamps on the posts, and the fact that there's no way you can prove or disprove what I tell you I was thinking, it's pure WIFOM and therefore gets us nowhere.

#816: convinced enough to vote.

#837: re-reading, noticed Pazzer voted too and became more certain he (pazzer) is mafia. Vote made me begin to wonder if lynching Muttly was actually the right course of action, especially in view of Game 9. Also remembered Muttly had said he'd be out of town that weekend. Logged out because I had other things I was supposed to be doing (NaNoWriMo), but I was feeling uneasy.

I next logged in at about #841, from memory a couple of hours or so later, with the intention to unvote and put Muttly out of range.
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NotFrenchYet: If you'd all rather I spelled out my train of thought, here goes.
Your train is missing the "why I changed my mind between logging out and logging back in" carriage.
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xyem: I still find it quite strange that despite the explicit agreement and obvious support to lynch me.. people are still pushing to lynch me now instead of doing it closer to the deadline. Surely those extra days would be better spent finding out mafia members? Or am I missing something?
Say for the sake of argument that we did lynch you just before the deadline, after having probed other players for mafia reads, and you flipped town, wouldn't that be a town-loose situation? So it wouldn't matter what we'd found. The only way delaying the vote would help is if you *are* mafia. Yes?!? O_o
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littlerabbit: Say for the sake of argument that we did lynch you just before the deadline, after having probed other players for mafia reads, and you flipped town, wouldn't that be a town-loose situation? So it wouldn't matter what we'd found. The only way delaying the vote would help is if you *are* mafia. Yes?!? O_o
Yes to the first question, no to the second.

If by delaying the vote, you unearth mafia and lynch them instead of me, that would also help.
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xyem: If by delaying the vote, you unearth mafia and lynch them instead of me, that would also help.
If you're town I doubt that would help. As likely you would be lynched the next day anyway. I said I didn't believe both Muttly and Rodzaju could be town. So Vote Rodzaju.
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NotFrenchYet:
I have to say you made me quite uneasy here. I don't think this is good explantion. You had great opportunity to unvote him there yet you didn't and we have only your word you intended to.
I have to consider this some more. I'll go to consult it with the World's Greatest Detective and then I will decide what to do.
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pazzer: If you're town I doubt that would help. As likely you would be lynched the next day anyway.
That's certainly a possibility.. but it could also start a chain reaction of hitting mafia.

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pazzer: I said I didn't believe both Muttly and Rodzaju could be town
Why do you think this?
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xyem: Why do you think this?
I can't actually remember. Assume it's because my reasons for thinking they were both town were similar. But am fairly certain one of Rodzaju and Vitek is mafia.
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Vitek: I have to say you made me quite uneasy here. I don't think this is good explantion. You had great opportunity to unvote him there yet you didn't and we have only your word you intended to.
I have to consider this some more. I'll go to consult it with the World's Greatest Detective and then I will decide what to do.
Fair enough. *shrug* Like I said there's not a lot that can be done about it now... -_-

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xyem: Your train is missing the "why I changed my mind between logging out and logging back in" carriage.
More explicitly then:
After I posted after Pazzer, I logged out. While I was doing other things (writing), I kept thinking about the situation, and wondering if it was the right thing to do.

My mind was changed by a) the style of pazzer's vote ("day is starting to drag"), and b) remembering the lynch of another 1st time player in game 9 - all of this player's scummiest contradictions turned out to be honest mistakes / misunderstandings. I became concerned we were making a similar mistake.

Re delay lynch or no delay lynch, I refer you to Vitek in post #914:
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Vitek: We can get rid of him and next day we can speculate as long as we want. Or until we hit deadline. There won't even be the factor "what if xyem is not scum," so... less space for speculations.
@Xyem, Pazzer asked you a while ago who you think are the mafia... Any thoughts?
Very well, I haven't seen anyting that changed my opinion of xyem over course of day.
Vote Xyem.
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NotFrenchYet: @Xyem, Pazzer asked you a while ago who you think are the mafia... Any thoughts?
And I answered.
Not only that.. you responded to it.

And seeing as Vitek has put me at L-1, I might as well do my "oh noes I'm about to die and here's why you shouldn't kill me" thing.

I'm responsible for the lack of night kill.