It seems an odd restriction in the first place. But the role itself is genuine. As has been shown by the vote counts. Not sure what he would gain by inventing the restriction.

As you've said the problem with Sirprimalform is there's nothing to go on. But I don't see that as a good enough reason to lynch him. Especially as there are much better targets.

Xyem isn't there any flavor you could post and who do you think the mafia are?

I posted what I am capable of posting.

Vitek is currently behaving oddly because as I said, he's trying to build a case against me when it isn't needed, instead of trying to unearth the mafia.

SPF's quietness does bug me but at this point.. we're too afraid to lynch him baased on that one thing and if he remains quiet, it'll be the only thing we could baase it on.. we've effectively admitted he gets a free pass if he stays quiet :/

But the biggest blip on my scumdar? Let's see if I can sum it up..

She then posts (#837) after Muttly gets to L-1 (#834) without unvoting him.
And then today?
This is what I mean by people's bias is causing them to ignore things.

Fair point.

NFY, is there any point asking for an explanation?

This is an interesting one...

@Xyem: Yes, she claims Mason buddy but the fact she hasn't been counterclaimed pretty much proves it. At this stage of the game, the real mason buddy not counterclaiming would be stupid and anti-town, thus I conclude that she is the real mason buddy.

A possibility that just occurred to me now though is that they might have been a town/scum pair... this could explain the cruel win condition?

Also, I don't believe you could be 100% restricted from claiming. Orryyrro's restriction simply prevented him using his power... if it's a similar case with you and you have a power important to town then surely now would be the time to claim, even if it breaks your restriction.

Every time SirPrimalform posts I think it's more and more likely he's mafia. As his posts don't seem to add anything to the discussion.

@SirPrimalform can you post your thoughts on the other players.

Those were my thoughts on the player we're currently discussing.

As for other players:

Xyem is by far the scummiest person in my eyes for obvious reasons.

Pazzer, I get a really scummy feeling from you, like you did something really suspicious that I can't quite remember. Since I can't find any evidence I'll just assume it's my mind playing tricks.

I'm fairly certain NFY is town (apart from the possibility I mentioned in my previous post).

I don't have any strong reads either way for the other players (apart from Rod leaning mafia-ish).

You know what, I've been very cautious with my voting so far but I feel sufficiently convinced of Xyem's guilt to vote Xyem. I think that puts him at L-2.

Claim damnit!

I'm a sheep and I have no flavour text. Baaa.

No, I don't believe you can't claim at all. Every post restriction has a penalty, what's yours?

Catch up!

If you didn't think Rabbit's vote was the right move, I inferred you thought any vote would be a bad move. Apologies if I misinterpreted.

So how come you brought it up?

Well, just read what I said. I was about to unvote Muttly, but I logged in to do so too late - after the hammer. Me stating I was disappointed when I saw xyem had hammered because I was about to unvote, and me posting when Muttly was still at L-1 are not incompatible.

Wobbly logic much? Interesting that Pazzer leapt right onto this with "She lied! We should lynch her!"

...? I don't follow your logic there... As I understand it, it's like a reverse lyncher condition. How does a nasty win condition (not the only nasty thing around in this game..!) mean I could be scum?

Also, xyem hinted at his post restriction here. Lack of experience means I'm not sure how realistic that is.

Current reads not changed so much. I'm getting more and more certain that Xyem and Pazzer are scum - in the last 20 or so posts, I've seen barely any productive pro-town play. Pazzer in particular is poking anything that moves...

My thinking was that the cruel win condition could be to counter some advantage. Being a pretty much confirmed mason would be an advantage to scum as evidenced by our complete lack of suspicion towards you (apart from Pazzer).
This is nothing more than wild speculation about interesting roles, it doesn't seem at all likely to me.

Then again, I can't see why Joe would give you such a cruel win condition. =/

Heh.. I saw what you did there.

Sure, the logic is wobbly when you put it that way.. but only because you completely omitted what my logic is founded on.

What you said, fixed in bold.
Your claim states that you wanted to move muttly out of range.. but you must have known at the time you last posted he was at risk because you were "logging in to move him out of range". Your actions don't match up with what you state.

And then trying to undermine my point by completely omitting what it is based on? Tch tch tch

*post*

Thanks Vitek.

Further proof that I was completely ignored during NFY's investigation of me and, you know, all the other times I (and others) have flat out stated that I'm suspicious of NFY.

I also find it strange how you witnessed a potentially (if it had come later) game ending trigger on a player with attention drawing post restrictions, yet you refuse to believe that I am unable to reveal any more than my sheep claim despite my displays of avoiding Joe's post restrictions when I can,

Though.. that could be explained by the fact that you clearly ignore me.. except when it looks likely I will get lynched - funnily enough.

Your apparent cognitive dissonance makes my head hurt.

Perhaps I'm just projecting my own reads, I haven't been ignoring you though. You might be confusing silent disagreement with ignoring.

Your potentially game ending hammer was made in easily the scummiest way possible, I can't believe you wouldn't bother to justify it in any way unless you assumed you'd won. There's only 4 posts between Pazzer putting him at L-1 and you hammering him. I wish the forum had proper time and date stamps so we could see how much time actually passed between the posts. One thing is clear though: your previous post was from a day earlier, before Muttly was placed at L-1. You really thought that after coming back the next day and seeing Muttly at L-1 that hammering him wouldn't be scummy?

I think this second post restriction is made up and is an attempt to avoid having to claim. Again you've completely ignored my question as to what the penalty for breaking this restriction is.