This is exactly what is wrong. You can't expect you will die soon unless you intend to. And as town you should use your ability in way that gets best results. I can't believe you would willingly choose not to use it when you could.

I wasn't defending nolynch. I waas saying with 3 people inactive and not willing to vote we can just nolynch today and tomorrow to end this game faster. :-P

It wasn't without backup. I revoted muttly against whom I stated my case before. I only shortly voted pazzer to prod him into posting and then revoted muttly again. ;-)


Au contraire. Those are not usual roles so it is quite safe to claim these as they are unlikely to be counter-claimed and none of them can be proven.

That's just the thing, since cop and vanilla are the most common falseclaims, it doesn't seem impossible that they might have claimed something other than those in order to seem less falseclaimy. I realise this is complete wine, but it's something to take into account.

Rod's claim of Diviner at least seems to be true because it showed up in one of Joe's votecounts. I realise that doesn't say anything about his alignment, but at least he's not lying so he hasn't falseclaimed per se. Looking at NFY's role sheet, I'm reminded of Pazzer's 'Miracle Maker' claim which I seem to remember him saying was a one shot doc?

He's got no way of proving that because there's no evidence of anything he did, nor can he be asked to prove it (because he's already used it up). I'm not saying it's a falseclaim necessarily, but it's the flimsiest power role claim we have so far.

Rabbit, your claim (while not proven) is certainly less flimsy and it seems to match up with Rod's (of course it's possible that you're both mafia and he told you things to help you falseclaim).

Blah, it's late. Too much wine for me, I'm off to bed.

So in the end all Wine was In Front Of You? :-)

Hehe, I didn't really have any wine. :P

It was a reference to the fact that my entire post was basically a load of WIFOM.

Disappointing. :-(

Which is what it would take any day regardless. Thats the point of considering the no lynch today on D4. Gather whatever other scraps of info come along and hope something turns up.

Oh, and I have made many points on Rod, you may not agree of course, but its not some random vote.

Tell me about it. It's 3:30 and I "went" to bed almost 2 hours ago.

I hope you are proud off yourself. You made me want some wine. :-P

@NotFrenchYet if during the day most of the other players have said they think you're mafia wouldn't you expect to get lynched soon?

Day is starting to drag and were not getting anywhere.

Vote Muttly

@ Rod- this was the bit I was reffering to, but I can remove the score if you don't think that this is misquoting.

I agree that it seems the more experienced players are being picked off in NKs.
But a removal of experienced players benefits the mafia regardless of their composition.
If all three were experienced players, having a load of newbies running round going 'hes scum, no he's scum...' still benefits them.

Also where is the line drawn between newbie and experienced?
As you say that it would be suspicious if there were only 3 experienced players left. (would it? We've had 3 NKs, and to begin with, what 7/12ths of the group were experienced? Is that right?)


@Xyem, that's for clearing that up.

@Vitek, 1)I honestly didnt! You can't say that I can't not expect to survive, just because you always expect to...
2) And yeah, hence the question mark on that point.
3) Ah. damn. Thanks for pointing that out.... Although they do seem to fit with the rest of the set-up, but I suppose that could have been a mafia ploy as well.. >_<

And I think you wanted a futher explanation on not using my vote so far, Im holding back because I don't want to accidentally start a wagon that has the mafia leap on to it and ends in a mislynch. I'd rather I had a definitive case and was certain in my mind before committing to a vote.

In Post 377, the exact words that Muttly used were:
"but I tend to beleive O. I am not against lynching him if I am the last vote kind of thing"
O claimed town cop.
Muttly said that he tends to believe this, but is prepared to lynch him.
So how is what I said a misquote?

Well, yes, but I just find it odd that you've mentioned it... three times now. It's beginning to sound almost like a dare - If you think I'm mafia, lynch me.

If you're town, why on earth would you do this? You're provoking a mislynch, which spells doom for town.

If you're mafia, why on earth would you do this? Bear in mind you have Good Luck today, so it takes 6/7 to lynch you. By repeatedly mentioning that you think you're going to be lynched, you're offering yourself. Thereby offing yourself. I would think the scum would be pushing for a mislynch. That said, you did just vote for Muttly with the excuse "day is starting to drag"...

A third possibility is that you might be expressing a sentiment which is becoming more and more common amongst people, i.e. "Let's just get this over with, I'm not really bothered who wins any more" ...

Confirm.

Re the misquoting accusation:
@Rod, Muttly was insistent on the "tending to believe", which is I think where this accusation of misquoting originally came from. See #735:

Surely mentioning it in reply to the question shouldn't count. At least you don't think i'm a jester.

I've made no secret of my desire for this game to be over with. As am interested in finding out what the hell Joe was thinking. But I have done my best to help town win. It's just my playstyle to try and stir things up. As I hate the long pauses when little happens.

I voted Mutty because he's in the group of 4 which it seems certain contains mafia. Also because he seems to think the game would continue if he's lynched.

Again, a vote with absolutely no explanation.

But Muttly has now gone.
Let's just hope I am right!