Sorry about that! I tend to forget that following the thread closely doesn't actually constitute activity.

...that is to say I come away from the thread feeling like I've posted even if haven't. Muttly has made himself even more suspicious recently, but I have nagging doubts that he's a red herring caused by a newbie freaking out under pressure.

Oh we'll cry 'pass the wine, pass the wine, pass the wine'... -_-;

This feels all wrong... I'm trying to put my finger on why, and I keep returning to Rod.

On page 37 you were "confident of two scum. Primal and Muttly." (#723) Dropped Primal when you saw your case wasn't floating..?

On that post you also said "As for you not dying, clearly the scum wouldn't be inclined to vote for one of their own."
... this a couple of pages after having pulled xyem up for speaking of bussing a townie.

...hang on a second.

Orry was at L-3 before this (and had been for quite some time).
Rod voted, and you did indeed follow, in the very next post.

You are arguing that L-1 ("Next to last vote") and the hammer ("the last") are "as good as" each other. Au contraire! Pazzer has already pointed out that the hammer voter attracts the most attention. Additionally, and perhaps more obviously, at L-1 there is still a slim chance of the target's survival; at the hammer it's all over. The fact that you believed Orry was the town cop, but were still prepared to put the final nail in his coffin, screams 'scum'. Compare this with the others, specifically rabbit (also newbie), who was "80% sure" he was town, and so did not vote. Neither did Baz, Bard or xyem.

"sparked" is the word we were all messing with - Rod interprets this as "pushing you", I tried "pressure". But either way, I can't see this sequence any other way than you following his lead. You even said yourself he "sparked" your vote. You seem to be admitting that you followed his lead, but are trying to blame him for it -
I'm beginning to think Rod might be The Experienced Player in his own theory. (Yeah I just turned your own theory against you! :P )

I have to do a blast of NaNoWriMo writing now to try and catch up my word count, but I'm going to read through again later with attention to Rod and Muttly and see if anything jumps out...

I haven't dropped my case on Primal at all, but I can't vote for both at once & my case against Primal is largely (though not entirely) based around Muttly being scum.
Therefore it makes sense to pursue Muttly first.

The statement from #765 that you quoted stems from the fact that he has been L-3 for a while now. Everyone (except Rabbit) has appeares & made comment, so had a chance to vote.
If none of the 4 I mentioned were scum, I believe he would have been hammered by now.

I am also aware that scum DO sometimes vote for each other, but they are less likely to vote each other than they are to vote a townie.
From what I have seen, this tends to be a desperation move, rather than a planned one.
Hence the "Not inclined..."
I would have liked to point out that Primal agreed that Muttly looks suspicous, but didn't vote him.
Unfortunately, this falls down somewhat as several people (Yourself included) have done the same.

I am not sure where this panicked/pressured tag is coming from, but okay. As far as I know I am answering questions directed at me and discussing my thought process as I always have. Does this mean I now get town points for not posting yesterday???

Hammer - The point was in the environment of the game there was little doubt Orry was getting lynched. Apparently this was thought was shared by 6 others...

Town Cop - I did not believe that Orry was the town cop, I believed it was possible he was telling the truth. At the time of my vote I believed it less. As for Rod pushing/prompting/cajoling/pressuring/leading/guiding or whatever other verb we would like to use, the point there is simple. His vote and explanation made it a given in my mind (interpret some other way if you like, thats the way I read it) that it was curtains for Orry.

For once, maybe twice if you count Orry, I agree with Rod. I am surprised we moved nowhere yesterday and apparently today.

If I understand this correctly, you are trying to explain your vote by saying that Rod made a good argument that swayed you after you said you were leaning towards believing Orry to be telling the truth? Is that correct?

Other than the leaning toward Orry part, yes. I was waffling throughout admittedly. Rods post (among others by the way) gave me enough confidence in moving forward with my vote. Kind of the straw that broke the camels back if you will.

It does look like at least one of Rodzaju, Vitek, Muttly and LittleRabbit is mafia. Can't really decide which as seems there's points against all of them.

I don't think both Rodzaju and Muttly are mafia.

Yes it's almost sure that at least one of us is mafia.
Why don't you think it can't be both muttly and Rod?
Bear in mind that even if we lynch mafia today next day will be mylo again, unless failed NK (which is unlikely) so mafia can easily afford to sacrifice one of them.

Guess I just done see the mafias need to sacrifice one of their own. Given were at mylo and a no lynch would be ok for them. Also my reasons for thinking their town are similar and I don't think they over lap.

Vote Rodzaju

The heavens seem to tremble, as if in mourning for someone far far off; in another place and another time.

Day Four Sixth Votecount
With eight alive it takes five votes to lynch.

2 - Muttly13 (cast by Vitek and Rodzaju)
2 - Rodzaju (cast by Muttly13 and Pazzer)

Not Voting - xyem, SirPrimalform, LittleRabbit, NotFrenchYet.

Muttly13 and Rozaju are tied closest to lynch at L-3

Be Reminded - You've week left until this day ends.

Pazzer voted for Rodzaju? Where? I don't see his vote. :-)

#774 but he didn't bold it, so I wasn't certain that it was a vote.

I saw post #774. There in no countable vote there. :-)

Yeah, I know it's nitpicking and it doesn't matter now but what if this happen in end of day? What if someone hammers like that and that will claim he didn't mean to or it will be vote to L-1, then someone hammers and will claim he didn't see this vote? It should be made clear if such votes counts under any cirmunstances. If there is no votecount for a long time and I check thread to make it myself I only search bolded text...

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