Also there is 12 players, 3 mafia, 9 townies.
9 townies consisted of 2(?) masons, 3 confirmed power roles and maybe something more. This is at least 5 special roles out of 9 players. Not so lucky to nail mason and 2 PR's when you look at it this way. It was at least more than 50% chance to kill special role on day 1 and maybe even higher.

... I'm not sure I believe in percentages any more..!

Mafia role cop is standard role. On mafiascum.net, which is hub of mafia games, every newbie game contains mafia role cop and I used it in my game too.

You should. ;-) We hadn't exactly chance to prove the first percentage...

A while ago, Frenchie said he had a role with an unusual addition.
I can't see scum drawing attention to themselves that way.

Unless it was his inexperience talking, but I don't see it.

Day 1 was dominated by the Bazilisek Xyem argument and day 2 by the Orryyrro saga. So there's very little to go on. Just things don't quite add up for me but then I see mafia everywhere. NotFrenchYet I think has been trying to set people up to be lynched making them look scummy by twisting things. Vitek appears town but seems to always be throwing a spanner in the works. As for Rodzaju his post at start of day 2 glad they didn't hit the doc just stuck in my mind.

But of course I could be completely off base. Would be interested to hear other peoples reads.

@Vitek why are you against a mass claim?

Today is the last day town has the power and as there isn't much info I do think a mass claim may help revel the mafia. In fact i'll claim later even if no one else does.

Not sure if there's much to be gained speculating about why the mafia killed who they did. We will find out anyway at the end of the game.

Personally I though Violator was killed because he brought up Muttly being lyncher. Which if correct pretty much confirmed TwilightBard as town. Then they went after the confirmed townies.Of course it could be they had a rolecop or just luck they hit power roles.

Because I think it could harm town.

How am I throwing spanner?

I'll post my reads later but I'd like to see opinions of others towards claim.

Mainly the whole vig thing. Sure there's other stuff but I don't have it in my notes.

Forgot to do this Unvote Vitek, Vote Muttly

I dont see how this helps us much either. Other than to reveal any last power roles we may have.

Understand the why and better understand the who.

mason, doc, tracker seems like enough power roles to me. Though you could be right in which case the only thing to do is vote no lynch. But it's a massive risk.

@Rod
SHE! :O

Mm... so you said back on D1. Could you provide an example of my "twisting things" ? I admit my turns of thought are a bit 'particular' at times...

Yes I tried to get Orry lynched. I think I made my reasons clear enough. I was excited and crusading at first because as I said at the time, I was 100% convinced he was scum. Then I started doubting, but not enough to remove my vote. Turns out I was totally wrong... Even what I thought was an unbreakable logical slip turned out to be false.

So... I'm really nervy about drawing any conclusions now, considering the mess of my (first-ever) attempt to scum-hunt. I'm wary of Rabbit and pazzer, and Rod, but I'd need to go back to the thread to be any clearer. If anything, Rabbit is the one throwing spanners with a tendency to throw suggestions around and not follow them up... Even to the point of pointing Primal out as suspicious on what seems like a jokey basis. That doesn't strike me as a very pro-town tactic this late in the game... (( ;P ))

For reference, and to poke discussion, here's the order of votes on the D2 Orry wagon:
Primal (#280),
Frenchie (#283),
Vitek (#286),
Rod (#288),
Rod unvotes (#311),
Rod revotes (416),
Muttly (#419),
Pazzer (#424)

Thank you for the vote order; that's a useful reference. Yes I was poking fun at Primal, but I know him, so :P . If I was throwing the spanner in the works it was to try and convince you all NOT to vote orryy- I stated my reasons at the time for believing him innocent, which turned out to be correct.

As for today, as has been iterated already, we have almost no data, nothing to go on. so making clumsy suggestions in the hope that someone will slip up is the best we can do.

Eh, this leads nothing.
I made PBPA of muttly as I see him as one of most suspicious players.

Attacking Twilight without no apparent reason, possible RVS.

Continuing his attacks, still RVS?

Again, less likely to be RVS now.

Attacks him again, definitely not RVS. Softclaims without any reason but we all have done this in G1.
So his reasons are not absolute but muttly is sure Twilight is scum?


Confirms his claim.


He claimed to speed up lynch of someone?

Defends against me "random lynch without evidences".

Defends random lynch again but has some merits. Note his targets, either cop or doctor. Most of us felt same about Orry, but he was also "able" to attack doctor.

First to ask about Violator's NK. I see nothing interesting.

Asked Twilight to defend himself on D1 and now admits there was nothing to defend against.

Response to Rodzaju on Twilight's town reads.

"Admits" he's not lyncher and explains his desire to lynch Twilight as bloodthirst.
Has strong reads against Sirprimalform but doesn't vote this time...

Adds another thing against Sir but still no vote...


More is coming in next post 10 minutes later.

Posting so Vitek can continue.

Why wait?
Post away...