yeah, I didn't say it was fool-proof, but that's just what I think

Thanks for the vigging clarification though. Does Vitek bringing it up imply that we have one, or is it common practice?

Uh.

You said it yourself (unless that was supposed to be a quote). If someone promises to vig him, it frees us up to lynch someone else who has also been acting strangely.

My interpretation of Vitek's comment was that he thinks we should kill Orry, but would rather we save the lynch for someone else.`

As I said, I don't eaxctly agree with the logic here.

He could have been hinting something or he could have just been saying 'if we have a vig'. I'm not really sure what to make of it.

is it because the vig would be acting on majority opinion, so it would effectively be a night lynch, rather than we lynch orry now and trust the vig to make his own decision as to whom to vig at night?

We've had quite a few vigs on this site before. I think there was one in M2, M3 had a Jack-of-all-Trades who had a vig power, M5 definitely had one and I sort of think M4 did as well. So it would not be all that surprising if there was one in this setup as well. It's pure guesswork, though.

Again, I have nothing to suggest we do have a vigilante.
If we do, they can order a kill on their own.

I'm always a bit suspicious of anyone who tells the vig who to kill.
It's almost as if they wish they were mafia, but as they are not, they have to sate their bloodlust through a third party.

Or perhaps, they want us to think they wished they were mafia.
Maybe they really are....

The air is a little warmer, there is no wind, the garden is completely still.

Day Two Second Votecount
With eleven alive it takes six votes to lynch.

3 - Orryyrro (cast by SirPrimalform, NotFrenchYet and Vitek)

Not Voting - xyem, Orryyrro, TwilightBard, Bazilisek, LittleRabbit, Pazzer, Muttly13, Rodzaju.

Orryyrro is closest to lynch at L-3

If there is no majority vote this day will end on the fifteenth of November.

@Vitek - That'd be my fault for suggesting the possibility (apologies, Joe!), but I brought it up in an attempt to again prove Orry is untrustworthy -

Note Rod rolls merrily along with the idea in #311, Orry lets drop the "typically mods aren't complete dicks" phrase in #312, and TwilightBard decides we are in 'Bastard Mod mode' in #319.

Hmmm.

Since if this was true it would completely throw everything and everyone into confusion, I find it suspicious that these three pick up the idea and agree with it, on the basis of a single but complicated roleclaim. I think we've already figured that the Old Woman's death was a muddy-water tactic. Suggesting the entire game is rigged is another one...

Thoughts?

I don't think the entire game is rigged.
If that was the case, what's the point in playing?
However, mods (on this site particularly) have a history of messing with us:

Game 4: all the players were electrical appliances, except one of us (me!) who was a bin.
Try explaining that at roleclaim time....

Game 6: a Mafia game with NO mafia in it....

Because lie is best hidden amongst two truths. He could say something truthful to make his claim look more believable.

And sorry I misread your post. I read your "and" as "or".

I was not hinting anything. I just take vigilante as usual role and thought it could be good idea to vig Orryy instead lynching him. I suggested it as it could free our hands to lynch someone else. I have to thing it through, though. Also if we agree that vig should do the job and nothing happens over-night we can lynch him next day if we find it necessary.
If we agree that Orryy should die, though, and we will have no good target for lynch tonight then it's pointless to rely on vig and we can do the work ourselves.

You forget that each person also has their own PM and possibly their own post restrictions which bácks up their opinion. And I for one agree with them.

Joe's rules are interfering with the gameplay. If Orry is being forced to claim something he is not, he's lying and if town 'never lies', Joe is making him look scummy. Another perfect example is NotFrenchYet's comment in #263 regarding 'baa' (originally 'b', then 'a', Joe) where he goes "Black Sheep, anyone?". If I am town, Joe is making me look scummy and if I am scum, Joe would have been pointing it out. Joe shouldn't be doing anything other than moderating the game.

And these are just the ones we know about.

He's also continuing with the inappropriate deadlines despite protest against them and not having mentioned them before the game.

He's behaving exactly the way you wouldn't want someone in power to behave. His reasoning from the báa-ification was that he wanted me to spout a load of nonsense. When he found out how I was doing it (getting the computer to do it for me), I asked him if he would drop that restriction because it was just wasting my time and everyone knew why I was doing it anyway.. he declined to.

He's power tripping and it is screwing up this game. We should be figuring out the mafia básed on what people say of their own accord, not on what they have to say. I came here to play a game of mafia with other people, not with a bunch of puppets run by the mod.

Just a quick survey:

Does ANYONE have a absolutely standard role?
I'm not asking for claims.
Vanilla is, after all, a role.
I'm asking if anyone has a role that is exactly bog standard without any post restrictions, special instructions, etc?

Just curious.

I do have to agree with rabbit here.
Joe is the mod.
We all agreed to play in Joe's game.
As I showed earlier, mods here tend to "experiment".
Perhaps we're just a creative lot....