Posted October 22, 2011
Orryyrro
Flying Squirrel!
Registered: Mar 2010
From Canada
Vitek
Master of Karate and friendship for everyone
Registered: Apr 2009
From British Indian Ocean Territory
Posted October 22, 2011
What? So it only disabled your ability for 1 day? So if you are not forced to claim again you can investigate at your will?
This sounds a bit strange.
This sounds a bit strange.
bazilisek
gone
Registered: Oct 2009
From Czech Republic
Posted October 22, 2011
Right; sorry I'm late to the party everyone, I just came back home and skimmed through the burst of activity. Orry's latest claim seems, I have to say, rather fanciful to me. Doesn't mean it's impossible, mind you, but I'd definitely file it under "unlikely"; I'll have to reread this day more carefully and think about it for a while before you'll get something more definite out of me.
The night kill target was quite unexpected; I'm inclined to agree it was probably to muddy up the waters. Whoever killed the old woman had "crushed and torn" her body, which to me seems rather uncharacteristically gruesome for this setup's dominating flavour. I don't know if that bit of information could prove useful, but probably not.
Now excuse me, as I have to go grab something to eat. Far too much thinking on an empty stomach. You guys can keep Orry under pressure for a while longer without me, I suppose.
The night kill target was quite unexpected; I'm inclined to agree it was probably to muddy up the waters. Whoever killed the old woman had "crushed and torn" her body, which to me seems rather uncharacteristically gruesome for this setup's dominating flavour. I don't know if that bit of information could prove useful, but probably not.
Now excuse me, as I have to go grab something to eat. Far too much thinking on an empty stomach. You guys can keep Orry under pressure for a while longer without me, I suppose.
Orryyrro
Flying Squirrel!
Registered: Mar 2010
From Canada
Posted October 22, 2011
I made sure to verify this before I broke my restrictions, since I was planning to break the hell out of the restrictions when I did.
TwilightBard
Luteless Bard
Registered: Sep 2008
From United States
Posted October 22, 2011
I made sure to verify this before I broke my restrictions, since I was planning to break the hell out of the restrictions when I did.
Rodzaju
Official Bastard
Registered: Jan 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted October 22, 2011
I made sure to verify this before I broke my restrictions, since I was planning to break the hell out of the restrictions when I did.
It sounds as though you have crippled yourself, and the town, here....
... assuming that you're telling the truth this time.
Not to mention that you're pretty much painting a huge target on your back.
If you're not lynched, you are demanding to monopolize the doc.
Let's just hope that the mafia don't have a watcher....
Orryyrro
Flying Squirrel!
Registered: Mar 2010
From Canada
Posted October 22, 2011
It sounds as though you have crippled yourself, and the town, here....
... assuming that you're telling the truth this time.
I told you my explanation would be harmful to town, but you wanted me to explain anyway.... assuming that you're telling the truth this time.
littlerabbit
*nibble nibble*
Registered: Oct 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted October 22, 2011
Are you now effectively vanilla?
What will you have to do to be allowed to investigate again?
I have to say the rhyme sounds joe-y to me as does the complicated role. However, as Frenchie says, if the rhyme was quoted it STILL breaks rue #9
Vitek
Master of Karate and friendship for everyone
Registered: Apr 2009
From British Indian Ocean Territory
Posted October 22, 2011
It sounds as though you have crippled yourself, and the town, here....
... assuming that you're telling the truth this time.
... assuming that you're telling the truth this time.
If it's true...
bazilisek
gone
Registered: Oct 2009
From Czech Republic
Posted October 22, 2011
What I don't like about this claim is how bloody convenient it is, should Orry be scum. Explaining his lie on day one to appease LAL (Lynch All Liars) and at the same time providing a handy excuse not to have to report the results of his investigations tomorrow. (On the other hand, cop is a very easy role for the mafia to fake, so such a backdoor seems unnecessary.) It is also a role that if actually true is pretty much designed to trip up LAL at claiming time, which does not seem particularly balanced to me.
Not to mention the misspelled Hamlet reference in King Fartinbras coming out of nowhere (the name of the dead Queen has never been given to us, by the way), and the fact that I don't understand how does his claim to be insane (see #297) tie into all this. Then again, it does corellate with "our gracious King, to whom we turn, / can nor be found withall the land" given in the very first post, and of course a fake king / cop could always be caught by counterclaiming (which, of course, is risky business). It's all very weird, through and through.
As Orry is at L-2 now, I'm not going to vote, but I do find him extremely suspicious. The situation reminds me of ViolatorX's claim in M5: extremely convoluted and eventually proven to be all made up.
Not to mention the misspelled Hamlet reference in King Fartinbras coming out of nowhere (the name of the dead Queen has never been given to us, by the way), and the fact that I don't understand how does his claim to be insane (see #297) tie into all this. Then again, it does corellate with "our gracious King, to whom we turn, / can nor be found withall the land" given in the very first post, and of course a fake king / cop could always be caught by counterclaiming (which, of course, is risky business). It's all very weird, through and through.
As Orry is at L-2 now, I'm not going to vote, but I do find him extremely suspicious. The situation reminds me of ViolatorX's claim in M5: extremely convoluted and eventually proven to be all made up.
Rodzaju
Official Bastard
Registered: Jan 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted October 22, 2011
OK, after all that:
If the mod instructed him to post that poem, it doesn't break rule 9.
The mod is the mod & is clearly at liberty to make exceptions as he sees fit.
However, it does open a whole can of worms that I don't even want to think about too much right now....
Having said that, the central tenet of town is that you DO NOT LIE, which Orry clearly has.
Surely the town thing to do would have been to accept that he had to break his post restriction & miss an investigation.
That's where he is now anyway & we wouldn't have all this suspicion.
Having said that, I don't know whether to believe him or not, but can we really afford to kill our own cop, if that is who he is?
Unvote Orry
But I am going to keep an eye on you....
If the mod instructed him to post that poem, it doesn't break rule 9.
The mod is the mod & is clearly at liberty to make exceptions as he sees fit.
However, it does open a whole can of worms that I don't even want to think about too much right now....
Having said that, the central tenet of town is that you DO NOT LIE, which Orry clearly has.
Surely the town thing to do would have been to accept that he had to break his post restriction & miss an investigation.
That's where he is now anyway & we wouldn't have all this suspicion.
Having said that, I don't know whether to believe him or not, but can we really afford to kill our own cop, if that is who he is?
Unvote Orry
But I am going to keep an eye on you....
Orryyrro
Flying Squirrel!
Registered: Mar 2010
From Canada
Posted October 22, 2011
I believed it would be more helpful to the town if I was able to investigate someone, hence my trying to stay within the post restrictions. However, a mislynch on the cop is worse than the cop not being able to investigate one night, so there is my claim today.
littlerabbit
*nibble nibble*
Registered: Oct 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted October 22, 2011
If the mod instructed him to post that poem, it doesn't break rule 9.
The mod is the mod & is clearly at liberty to make exceptions as he sees fit.
However, it does open a whole can of worms that I don't even want to think about too much right now....
Having said that, the central tenet of town is that you DO NOT LIE, which Orry clearly has.
Surely the town thing to do would have been to accept that he had to break his post restriction & miss an investigation.
That's where he is now anyway & we wouldn't have all this suspicion.
Having said that, I don't know whether to believe him or not, but can we really afford to kill our own cop, if that is who he is?
Unvote Orry
But I am going to keep an eye on you....
Although I can't think of a fool-proof way to determine if he is mafia if we keep him alive
Also I do think joe's the kind of mod to do something like that.
Incidentally, do you think the Hamlet reference is more deliberate than we've been thinking?
elebutterfly
avaunt!
Registered: Oct 2011
From Belgium
Posted October 22, 2011
(( out of game : this is a sample post... having posting issues.. which is really, really frustating at this point! xD ))
elebutterfly
avaunt!
Registered: Oct 2011
From Belgium
Posted October 22, 2011
((If this edits, I will kick something...))
bazilisek: What I don't like about this claim is how bloody convenient it is, should Orry be scum. /snip ^ This. Baziliek took the words right out of my mouth.
Ok, if none of this had happened, Orry would be unable to communicate the results of his investigation in a way which would provide useful information to the town. Orry himself says we'd see something like this (only probably more subtle):
Orryyrro: "I didn't investigate anyone, as I, Poor Blind Jack, have no powers. However I get the impression bazilisek is town." Now imagine reading something like that if he had not claimed. With no way to back himself up and tell town that he had investigated someone, or even just a hint that he had a power, it's totally hollow - it's just another opinion. The Cop's disguise is too good.
If Orry is telling the truth, his cop role would have been deprived of 1/2 its strength (confirming people) UNLESS he comes out and breaks all his restrictions in one go and tells us about the disguise. The full Cop role, the one which is completely "helpful to town", only works if he breaks the disguise at least once, which as he pointed out is a big risk and makes him a target for the mafia (and a protector role).
How? How would it be more helpful? If you had stayed safe within the restrictions, you would not be able to communicate the results of your investigation without claiming - you would only be able to express Poor Blind Jack's opinion. On the other hand, you claimed, and now have a target painted on you. Both of these outcomes are distinctly not helpful to the town.
... ... ...
I'm getting very single-minded about this, which is I guess what happens when you're 100% convinced of something... I can't stay up much later tonight, so I'll come back to this in the morning, via the whole of D2, to see if this episode flagged any other interesting moments.
Meanwhile:
@Rabbit:
Interesting thought... In what way do you think the Hamlet reference could be significant?
@Rob:
If this is true, we are all screwed. :/
Ok, if none of this had happened, Orry would be unable to communicate the results of his investigation in a way which would provide useful information to the town. Orry himself says we'd see something like this (only probably more subtle):
If Orry is telling the truth, his cop role would have been deprived of 1/2 its strength (confirming people) UNLESS he comes out and breaks all his restrictions in one go and tells us about the disguise. The full Cop role, the one which is completely "helpful to town", only works if he breaks the disguise at least once, which as he pointed out is a big risk and makes him a target for the mafia (and a protector role).
How? How would it be more helpful? If you had stayed safe within the restrictions, you would not be able to communicate the results of your investigation without claiming - you would only be able to express Poor Blind Jack's opinion. On the other hand, you claimed, and now have a target painted on you. Both of these outcomes are distinctly not helpful to the town.
... ... ...
I'm getting very single-minded about this, which is I guess what happens when you're 100% convinced of something... I can't stay up much later tonight, so I'll come back to this in the morning, via the whole of D2, to see if this episode flagged any other interesting moments.
Meanwhile:
@Rabbit:
Interesting thought... In what way do you think the Hamlet reference could be significant?
@Rob:
If this is true, we are all screwed. :/