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Metro09: Pretty much. I read and post on both forums (although not as frequently as others) -- there are plenty of lunkheads at RPGCodex just as there is no shortage of the same here. It's pretty funny to see some people completely denounce the Codex as some bitter insiders club when, quite frankly, you could make the same argument about a lot of the posts/threads seen on the GoG forums.

You would be right. Especially when it comes to Impulse and Steam. Never the less The Codex (is that the name now? bad name. Don't want to piss off GW) are full of people who hate GOG simply for the fact they stopped making games free.
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Metro09: Pretty much. I read and post on both forums (although not as frequently as others) -- there are plenty of lunkheads at RPGCodex just as there is no shortage of the same here. It's pretty funny to see some people completely denounce the Codex as some bitter insiders club when, quite frankly, you could make the same argument about a lot of the posts/threads seen on the GoG forums.
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Delixe: You would be right. Especially when it comes to Impulse and Steam. Never the less The Codex (is that the name now? bad name. Don't want to piss off GW) are full of people who hate GOG simply for the fact they stopped making games free.

And there are people here who hate Valve and Stardock just because they don't refuse to stock games that have DRM.
And there are people here who hate Steam because some publishers don't want them to distribute their games in certain regions.
Face it, there are people looking for an excuse to hate other people everywhere.
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Metro09: Pretty much. I read and post on both forums (although not as frequently as others) -- there are plenty of lunkheads at RPGCodex just as there is no shortage of the same here. It's pretty funny to see some people completely denounce the Codex as some bitter insiders club when, quite frankly, you could make the same argument about a lot of the posts/threads seen on the GoG forums.
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Delixe: You would be right. Especially when it comes to Impulse and Steam. Never the less The Codex (is that the name now? bad name. Don't want to piss off GW) are full of people who hate GOG simply for the fact they stopped making games free.

Actually, I think its less about seeing RPGCodex as "some bitter insider's club" and more about seeing it as breeding ground for ignorance and mental defectives. GOG could certainly be seen as some kind of "insider's club" and I honestly have no problem with that, as long as the average member IQ never drops to Codex levels.
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Gundato: And there are people here who hate Valve and Stardock just because they don't refuse to stock games that have DRM.
And there are people here who hate Steam because some publishers don't want them to distribute their games in certain regions.
Face it, there are people looking for an excuse to hate other people everywhere.

Stardock stocking games on Impluse that have massive DRM? That doesn't bother you? Even after everthing Brad said about DRM?
Gabe calling himself a gamer while ruling over Valve that says NO JUST CAUSE for U?
The only fact here is that every Direct Download service has decided to fleece us. I include D2D, Steam, GG and Impulse in this. GOG at leas use Dollars.
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Gundato: And there are people here who hate Steam because some publishers don't want them to distribute their games in certain regions.

It's not the fact that publishers won't distribute in certain regions that's the big problem (or the fact that they offer a game for pre-order then pull it before release). It's the way that Valve refuse to acknowledge when such situations occur. Leading to a whole bunch of annoyance when they deliver pop-up news items telling you X game is available (complete with Buy Now! or Pre-Order Now buttons) only to then to either be told, actually, it's not available for you, or to find it suddenly removed from your region with the possibility of the game then no longer unlocking.
Hell one recent example lead to someone asking a simple question about the release date of Metro 2033, getting their pre-order refunded (they didn't ask for a refund, nor did they want it) and with the game then being removed from their region, were no longer able to purchase it.
If they were just more open about the restrictions and refrained from advertising availability as "world wide" or "everywhere" when they know full well that that is not true, then most of the complaints against them would vanish.
Same with the complaints on third party DRM. Most complaints aimed at Valve aren't due to the publisher's choice of DRM, it's down to the fact that Valve refuse to list the DRM until several days *after* the game has been released, even when they've been offering it for pre-order for several months.
The point is, that while it may appear that people are just bitching about Valve for the sake of wanting to bitch, most people actually have very valid reasons for doing so. Even if such reasons aren't immediately apparent due to your geographical region.
Post edited March 20, 2010 by bansama
There's definitely some people here with some misdirected hate I mean..you'll find it everywhere and we're all like it at one time or another..but I think for the most part people are genuinely angry. Misinformed at times/weird standards maybe but still genuinely angry.
Post edited March 21, 2010 by chautemoc
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Gundato: And there are people here who hate Valve and Stardock just because they don't refuse to stock games that have DRM.
And there are people here who hate Steam because some publishers don't want them to distribute their games in certain regions.
Face it, there are people looking for an excuse to hate other people everywhere.
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Delixe: Stardock stocking games on Impluse that have massive DRM? That doesn't bother you? Even after everthing Brad said about DRM?
Gabe calling himself a gamer while ruling over Valve that says NO JUST CAUSE for U?
The only fact here is that every Direct Download service has decided to fleece us. I include D2D, Steam, GG and Impulse in this. GOG at leas use Dollars.

They annoy me as well, but a lot of things do.
Just like you can put a semi-rational face on this, they can put a semi-rational face on their problems with GoG.
Imagine that you had collected countless great RPGs that are no longer sold in stores. You collected them and even made sure to get non-ripped isos and PDFs of all the extra content. You are a heroic preserver of gaming. Then some company (that has no direct ties to the developers) suddenly starts selling these titles again.
So now, rather than be a hero who preserves gaming, you are a filthy pirate. And people are calling you one as they flock to the GoG bandwagon (admittedly, for very good reasons :p).
But I digress. Our hates is better than their hates :P
5 pages on and I'm still not caring.
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Gundato: Imagine that you had collected countless great RPGs that are no longer sold in stores. You collected them and even made sure to get non-ripped isos and PDFs of all the extra content. You are a heroic preserver of gaming. Then some company (that has no direct ties to the developers) suddenly starts selling these titles again.
So now, rather than be a hero who preserves gaming, you are a filthy pirate. And people are calling you one as they flock to the GoG bandwagon (admittedly, for very good reasons :p).
But I digress. Our hates is better than their hates :P

The issue here is no one is calling someone who had abandonware while the game was not available for purchase anywhere a pirate. The strongest case for abandonware is people saying "I would so buy this game if I could but I cant". Now GOG has released the game the genuine people have bought the game and we can say "A HA!" as people are refusing to buy it. They downloaded it, played it, added it to their collection but they wont buy it because why should they? That's were someone goes from gaming enthusiast to pirate.
As for not supporting developers we have been over this before, it's just not how the gaming industry works. Unless the game has been made by an Indie studio the development has been funded by the publisher. The developer has already been paid, it's the publisher who is looking to get their money back. In many cases these publishers have actually folded due to poor sales and yet the developer was paid. Some of these games are not with their original publishers because of this but they have again paid for these IP's so they are looking for a return on it. Buying games legally on GOG can alert a publisher that there is a demand for a game and they may infact bring an IP back from the dead based on strong aftermarket sales. That indirectly IS supporting the developer. Just look at Obsidian back in charge of the Fallout franchise. I would also point to the recently announced Jagged Alliance 3.
Post edited March 21, 2010 by Delixe
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Gundato: Imagine that you had collected countless great RPGs that are no longer sold in stores. You collected them and even made sure to get non-ripped isos and PDFs of all the extra content. You are a heroic preserver of gaming. Then some company (that has no direct ties to the developers) suddenly starts selling these titles again.
So now, rather than be a hero who preserves gaming, you are a filthy pirate. And people are calling you one as they flock to the GoG bandwagon (admittedly, for very good reasons :p).
But I digress. Our hates is better than their hates :P
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Delixe: The issue here is no one is calling someone who had abandonware while the game was not available for purchase anywhere a pirate. The strongest case for abandonware is people saying "I would so buy this game if I could but I cant". Now GOG has released the game the genuine people have bought the game and we can say "A HA!" as people are refusing to buy it. They downloaded it, played it, added it to their collection but they wont buy it because why should they? That's were someone goes from gaming enthusiast to pirate.
As for not supporting developers we have been over this before, it's just not how the gaming industry works. Unless the game has been made by an Indie studio the development has been funded by the publisher. The developer has already been paid, it's the publisher who is looking to get their money back. In many cases these publishers have actually folded due to poor sales and yet the developer was paid. Some of these games are not with their original publishers because of this but they have again paid for these IP's so they are looking for a return on it. Buying games legally on GOG can alert a publisher that there is a demand for a game and they may infact bring an IP back from the dead based on strong aftermarket sales. That indirectly IS supporting the developer. Just look at Obsidian back in charge of the Fallout franchise. I would also point to the recently announced Jagged Alliance 3.

And I don't disagree. But as it stands, one could easily say "Why does GoG deserve this money? They had nothing to do with making this". Hell, we currently have the former heads of IW suing Activision because they didn't get money for the game they made.
As a result, you have former "preservers of history" and the like who don't see a good reason why GoG deserves their money. So they refuse to pay, and people call them pirates. And seeing as how everyone is always looking for any excuse to pretend they are morally superior, said name-calling is rarely polite.
I am not disagreeing with GoG. I like it. I am just saying, one can EASILY apply some rationality to the kernel of their dislike of us. Just like you can easily apply some rationality to the kernel of a lot of people's hatreds of EA, Activision, Valve, and Stardock. And, in every case, it gets taken WAY too far.
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Gundato: "Why does GoG deserve this money? They had nothing to do with making this"

Hummnn, because GOG took the initiative to create the distribution infrastructure, marketing, support, staff and publisher contacts that support the re-release of these games. It seems GOG would have some ppl with incredibly high programming skills as well since they do an awesome job of getting these games to run on XP and Vista.
Edit: SHOULD have listed navigating the legal issues which may have been the most difficult problem of all.
Post edited March 21, 2010 by Stuff
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Gundato: And I don't disagree. But as it stands, one could easily say "Why does GoG deserve this money? They had nothing to do with making this".

Thats the single most stupid thing I have ever read. You may as well say "Why does Gamestop deserve this money? They had nothing to do with making this." Basically that argument says you might as well pirate anything because no store has anything to do with making a game, movie or album.
The games were not available anywhere. The abandonware supporters justified 'acquiring' and distributing these games because they were not available. Now they are and people are still 'acquiring' and distributing the games. Ripping games, distributing them freely and by-passing copy protection is called piracy. It makes no difference if the game is Might and Magic or Modern Warfare 2.
What a drama about a crack... I remember that some publishers told users to use cracks for their not-working just released games, so what ? Paying for two coffees isn't that terrible, so what about a GoG game ? Having a crack or not is like wondering if the sugar in the coffee is synthetic or not, you paid mostly for the service.
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Gundato: And I don't disagree. But as it stands, one could easily say "Why does GoG deserve this money? They had nothing to do with making this".
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Delixe: Thats the single most stupid thing I have ever read. You may as well say "Why does Gamestop deserve this money? They had nothing to do with making this." Basically that argument says you might as well pirate anything because no store has anything to do with making a game, movie or album.
The games were not available anywhere. The abandonware supporters justified 'acquiring' and distributing these games because they were not available. Now they are and people are still 'acquiring' and distributing the games. Ripping games, distributing them freely and by-passing copy protection is called piracy. It makes no difference if the game is Might and Magic or Modern Warfare 2.

And again, I don't disagree.
But one could make the analogue of Gamestop selling burned copies of games. Quite a bit different, but once you factor in people who feel that the devs deserve X, people who argue that they shouldn't support Y because of Z (I know one person who refuses to buy DA:O:A because EA hasn't patched Dante's Inferno for the PSP...), and you start to get a semi-rational kernel.
So many random hatreds have those rational kernels, they just get taken way too far.
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Narakir: What a drama about a crack...

Heh and the irony about this whole drama is that it is entirely based on an assumption.