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Sinizine: People aren't forgetting that GOG is releasing old games still, it's just not really relevant to the discussion. The thread is about their policies as a provider of indie games.
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gameon: Your statement is true "people aren't forgetting that GOG is releasing old games still". Thats what they signed up for. Thats what they expect, thats what they are here for.

The general GOG society wants good old games.

Do they want new indie games? hmmm....... maybe they wanted only good old games!

Dont get me wrong, i am open to new indie games, and also new games such as Alan Wake (and would vote in the wishlist for any games i want on GOG).

But other people wont vote, because they want the site to stay the same as it was when they signed up. Thats why they complain about newer games being added, and obviously wont vote for anything new.....
I do not disagree with this. I just disagree with the people in the thread that dismissed the game because it "only" has 70 votes when virtually every other indie game that has ever existed is also low on votes. We can argue till we're all blue in the face about whether the new games or indie games focus was a good idea, but that's not really the topic at hand. Hell, Alan Wake, a massively popular offer it turned out to be, only had 70 votes. The wishlist is not gospel.,It was obnoxiosuly hidden and hard to find for until the last couple months, and not everyone really cares to use it.
Post edited May 13, 2012 by Sinizine
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Foxhack: ... it's not the unlockable content content, it's the TRADEMARKED AND COPYRIGHTED item names.
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gameon: I take it you didnt see this: http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/gog_apparently_rejected_unepic/post75
I didn't. :p
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Foxhack: ... it's not the unlockable content content, it's the TRADEMARKED AND COPYRIGHTED item names.
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gameon: I take it you didnt see this: http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/gog_apparently_rejected_unepic/post75
No, I dare say I missed that part of it completely( I think I was typing when you posted). If I was GOG, I might be tempted to give a polite BS response to get as far away as humanly possible. That is very risky business. Ignorant / stupid might be another take.
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spinefarm: Anybody considered > http://www.unepicgame.com/en/items.html
This to be the issue with releasing the game?
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SirPrimalform: I don't quite follow... It's basically free DLC (you don't buy credits with real money, you earn them by playing the game).
It's basically free DLC and yet different pricing:
*Credits can be exchanged for special items that you can use in your games or gift to anyone.
And 5 different prices depending the amount of credits + the naming rights.... yep the issue is growing bigger.
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Sinizine: snip
Bastion - 283 votes
Limbo - 118 votes
Super Meat Boy - 73 votes

With similar votes to Bastion for instance we have:
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear
The Settlers IV
Warhammer 40,000: Fire Warrior
3 Star Trek games
Colonization

So just keep in mind that almost all of the indie games in the wishlist are added in less than 2 months ;)
So yes there is demand for Indie games. Just a lot of the users don't know where the heck is the whishlist ;)
Post edited May 13, 2012 by spinefarm
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gameon: "Han Solo's laser gun: Ranged weapon used by Han Solo in StarWars". I wonder if they would get in any licensing troubles for that?

In fact, they have references to star trek, x-men and more. I thought that was copyright.
Hmm, you have a point. I'm not sure whether they'd be covered under fair use or not.
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gooberking: If you can just unlock items via the game then no biggie, but if we are talking about "clouded" content that isn't guaranteed to be available after purchase, then we do have some sort of issue. Given that its an indi title, the chances that the content won't be available long term is extremely high.
Also a good point. I imagine GOG would ask that the content be included in the game without outside dependence (even if it still needs to be unlocked by playing).
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spinefarm: It's basically free DLC and yet different pricing:
*Credits can be exchanged for special items that you can use in your games or gift to anyone.
And 5 different prices depending the amount of credits + the naming rights.... yep the issue is growing bigger.
I'm not quite sure why that would be an issue... the things others have pointed out seem more likely (naming rights etc.).
Post edited May 13, 2012 by SirPrimalform
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gameon: "Han Solo's laser gun: Ranged weapon used by Han Solo in StarWars". I wonder if they would get in any licensing troubles for that?

In fact, they have references to star trek, x-men and more. I thought that was copyright.
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SirPrimalform: Hmm, you have a point. I'm not sure whether they'd be covered under fair use or not.
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gooberking: If you can just unlock items via the game then no biggie, but if we are talking about "clouded" content that isn't guaranteed to be available after purchase, then we do have some sort of issue. Given that its an indi title, the chances that the content won't be available long term is extremely high.
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SirPrimalform: Also a good point. I imagine GOG would ask that the content be included in the game without outside dependence (even if it still needs to be unlocked by playing).
Once Lucasarts get wind that a third party is profiting, you bet they'll take action and make life very difficult for everyone involved.

Most likely THE reason why GoG rejected it, so did steam.
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SirPrimalform: Optional stat upload couldn't be considered DRM in any way since it doesn't actually affect your ability to play the game.
Well, a DRM does not necessarily affect your ability to play the game.

Anyway, I wasn't saying that the upload feature was some sort of DRM, but the zero DRM stance that has been their leitmotiv since the very beginning implies that gogs can be played without any dependence on the internet. That simple feature (which you can totally ignore) could shake their stance a little bit. That would be a first that could spread to future games and the way I see it, they will have to reconsider their position regarding the dependency on the internet, and I don't know if they are willing to take that risk.
Post edited May 13, 2012 by Cambrey
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hedwards: I wish they would adopt some sort of consistent stance on things.
This.
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gooberking: If you can just unlock items via the game then no biggie, but if we are talking about "clouded" content that isn't guaranteed to be available after purchase, then we do have some sort of issue. Given that its an indi title, the chances that the content won't be available long term is extremely high.
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Foxhack: ... it's not the unlockable content content, it's the TRADEMARKED AND COPYRIGHTED item names.
Firstly, it's trademark that applies and secondly, if it's a reference then it likely falls under fair use.
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SirPrimalform: Optional stat upload couldn't be considered DRM in any way since it doesn't actually affect your ability to play the game.
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Cambrey: Well, a DRM does not necessarily affect your ability to play the game.
That's why people use DRM because it does affect the ability of people that didn't pay to play the game. Now, you can argue about how well that works, but DRM is there to control who plays the game.
Post edited May 14, 2012 by hedwards
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SirPrimalform: I don't quite follow... It's basically free DLC (you don't buy credits with real money, you earn them by playing the game).
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gameon: "Han Solo's laser gun: Ranged weapon used by Han Solo in StarWars". I wonder if they would get in any licensing troubles for that?

In fact, they have references to star trek, x-men and more. I thought that was copyright.
I don't think they infringe on copyrights if it's a parody or spoof, which in this case is what it seems to be.
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gameon: "Han Solo's laser gun: Ranged weapon used by Han Solo in StarWars". I wonder if they would get in any licensing troubles for that?

In fact, they have references to star trek, x-men and more. I thought that was copyright.
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lowyhong: I don't think they infringe on copyrights if it's a parody or spoof, which in this case is what it seems to be.
In most parodies or spoofs they change the names slightly to make it clear that it it a spoof, like for instance calling the "Han Solo" character "Wan Loner", or something like that...
Post edited May 14, 2012 by staticblast
Well, GOG's loss. I loved UnEpic and recommend you check it out.

The humor may not work for everyone, but it was good enough for me. The demo is an honest introduction to the game. Try it out yourself.
I've never heard of Unepic and personally do not feel to loose anything there. However it should be available at least at GamersGate.
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SimonG: Sooo, we either bitch about that not only old games are released or we bitch about not enough indies are getting released. So what now?!

Honestly, I never wanted GOG to become another DD for medicore indie games. Yes, unepic might be great, but so gar GOG has only chossen high quality indie game. If I want experiments, I will go to Desura. Ones the game has proven itself, they can reaplly. I want a GOG seal of quality.

And, wow, staggering 77 votes on the wishlist...
We have craptastic games like Master of Orion 3 and Empire Earth 3 on here.

Deal with it.
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thelovebat: We have craptastic games like Master of Orion 3 and Empire Earth 3 on here.

Deal with it.
And they belong here, because they are old games. And for better or worse, at lest MoO 3 ist "culturally significant".