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CaptainGyro: I didnt get that impression at all from the OP. To me he was clearly talking about people voting down the posts. not simply arguing counterpoints
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mondo84: True, but I don't think the downvotes happen because people think GOG can do no wrong. I think the downvotes happen because of the weekly repetition of the same arguments in each promo thread.
Well over the years I've seen valid critical posts of gog that were downvoted even though they hadn't been repeated many times. so I tend to agree with him
Post edited November 21, 2012 by CaptainGyro
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Liberty: I think you acting as a message forum police is worse than anything you've described.
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CaptainGyro: Why?
Because I'm from the East Coast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awDK3tkkNzM#t=1m13s
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mondo84: Where I disagree with this OP is that he/she seems to think people arguing counterpoints against these claims of GOG being hypocritical are assumed to be GOGbots who view that GOG can do no wrong.
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CaptainGyro: I didnt get that impression at all from the OP. To me he was clearly talking about people voting down the posts. not simply arguing counterpoints
Down voting without a reply can be seen like a passive aggressive way to take a comment someone disagrees with. On the flip side, people could also use it as a way of showing they disagree with a post when they feel a direct reply to the person would be pointless.

Take myself for example. Anyone that has read some of my posts on the board know I don't have a particularly high view of Steam after several issues with it. I'm sure there are people that think "Oh god not this jackass again!" and down vote that, which is their right to do so.

Regarding the sell itself, I think the down votes were used more as a way of saying they disagree with the complaint that GOG was being hypocrites for having it. Did they seem in the past like they disagreed with the "Everything must go!" style discounts, yes. However the market has shown people like sales like that, and GOG being willing to try them out is something most people here are fine with. They in turn don't want them to end as a result of forum bitching about the deals being too cheap or whatever.
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tfishell: (Reaction to the 5/10 dealio thread)

Maybe it's not my place to bring this up (after the occasional shitting bull I've left around here and there), but I do feel like there tends to be a bias here, in the sense of "GOG vs. other digital retailers, most notably Steam". Given that GOG is heavily promoted for its DRM-free-ness, naturally people who have had bad experiences with Steam/Origin/other DRM are going to come here and vent. And I think that's okay.

The problem comes when people (and I'm going to the extreme here) think that GOG can do no wrong, and when some of those people are unwilling to let criticism appear on the forum. GOG is great, and I actually think Steam is pretty great, too, although I don't frequent it, but both are far from perfect, and if something is bothering a user, he should be able to express it without "fear" of being downvoted.
Well, the physical act of clicking the "-" isn't such a big deal, it's the concept behind it - like one is going to put his or her hands over his ears and go "La la la la can't hear you" to a problem that needs to be addressed.
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Liberty: I think you acting as a message forum police is worse than anything you've described.
How the hell is he "acting as a message forum police?" He's just suggesting that people be a little less eager to dismiss any criticism of GOG. Encouraging civil and open discussion is never a bad thing.
Post edited November 21, 2012 by jefequeso
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CaptainGyro: I didnt get that impression at all from the OP. To me he was clearly talking about people voting down the posts. not simply arguing counterpoints
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Fictionvision: Down voting without a reply can be seen like a passive aggressive way to take a comment someone disagrees with. On the flip side, people could also use it as a way of showing they disagree with a post when they feel a direct reply to the person would be pointless.


Regarding the sell itself, I think the down votes were used more as a way of saying they disagree with the complaint that GOG was being hypocrites for having it
That's really not the point of the "-" button though. You're not just supposd to click on it if you disagree with something. According to gog it's supposed to be used for "trashy posts" not "something you disagree with". I will see if I can find the link
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Liberty: I think you acting as a message forum police is worse than anything you've described.
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CaptainGyro: Why?
Because it doesn't facilitate discussion.

What gives the OP the right to tell anyone what they may or may not post? I find the OP far more flawed than who he is complaining about. It's extremely arrogant to start a thread telling people what they may or may not post (not being the moderator).

The OP is equivocating that down-voting is suppression. No, it isn't. Stop being thin-skinned, OP.
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CaptainGyro: Why?
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Liberty: What gives the OP the right to tell anyone what they may or may not post? I find the OP far more flawed than who he is complaining about. It's extremely arrogant to start a thread telling people what they may or may not post (not being the moderator).

The OP is equivocating that down-voting is suppression. No, it isn't. Stop being thin-skinned, OP.
Good thing he isn't telling people what they may or may not post. And how is downvoting to hide a post not suppression?
Post edited November 21, 2012 by CaptainGyro
I'm sick of hearing the same people spit out the same complaints over, and over, and over. As if we didn't hear them the first fucking time.
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Liberty: I think you acting as a message forum police is worse than anything you've described.
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jefequeso: How the hell is he "acting as a message forum police?" He's just suggesting that people be a little less eager to dismiss any criticism of GOG. Encouraging civil and open discussion is never a bad thing.
It's called 'backseat modding' and is normally not accepted on most message forums (not sure what GoG's policy is).

How about I start a thread saying why backseat modding is dumb? It'd be a worthless thread totally worthy of downvoting because it just trashes up the forum. This thread is no different.
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Fictionvision: Down voting without a reply can be seen like a passive aggressive way to take a comment someone disagrees with. On the flip side, people could also use it as a way of showing they disagree with a post when they feel a direct reply to the person would be pointless.


Regarding the sell itself, I think the down votes were used more as a way of saying they disagree with the complaint that GOG was being hypocrites for having it
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CaptainGyro: That's really not the point of the "-" button though. You're not just supposd to click on it if you disagree with something. According to gog it's supposed to be used for "trashy posts" not "something you disagree with". I will see if I can find the link
Interesting, then what is the '+' supposed to be for?
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CaptainGyro: That's really not the point of the "-" button though. You're not just supposd to click on it if you disagree with something. According to gog it's supposed to be used for "trashy posts" not "something you disagree with". I will see if I can find the link
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yyahoo: Interesting, then what is the '+' supposed to be for?
I forgot the exact words they usedm but it think they said something like it's to be used for "Posts that rock"
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Fictionvision: Down voting without a reply can be seen like a passive aggressive way to take a comment someone disagrees with. On the flip side, people could also use it as a way of showing they disagree with a post when they feel a direct reply to the person would be pointless.


Regarding the sell itself, I think the down votes were used more as a way of saying they disagree with the complaint that GOG was being hypocrites for having it
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CaptainGyro: That's really not the point of the "-" button though. You're not just supposd to click on it if you disagree with something. According to gog it's supposed to be used for "trashy posts" not "something you disagree with". I will see if I can find the link
With regards to that, if someone feels complaining about a sell being "too good" or "hypocritical" would qualify as trashy, they are entitled to that opinion.
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CaptainGyro: Why?
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Liberty: Because it doesn't facilitate discussion.

What gives the OP the right to tell anyone what they may or may not post? I find the OP far more flawed than who he is complaining about. It's extremely arrogant to start a thread telling people what they may or may not post (not being the moderator).

The OP is equivocating that down-voting is suppression. No, it isn't. Stop being thin-skinned, OP.
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/188/585/1319074319001.png

Obviously I can't control anybody. I'm just making suggestions.
Post edited November 21, 2012 by tfishell
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yyahoo: Interesting, then what is the '+' supposed to be for?
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CaptainGyro: I forgot the exact words they usedm but it think they said something like it's to be used for "Posts that rock"
Considering the extreme wording, when balanced out, it still really sounds like a like/dislike system... Funny though, it's starting to sound like we've devolved to complaining about the message board software... ;)
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Liberty: What gives the OP the right to tell anyone what they may or may not post? I find the OP far more flawed than who he is complaining about. It's extremely arrogant to start a thread telling people what they may or may not post (not being the moderator).

The OP is equivocating that down-voting is suppression. No, it isn't. Stop being thin-skinned, OP.
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CaptainGyro: Good thing he isn't telling people what they may or may not post.
Since you appear to have reading comprehension problems, I will aid you by displaying the OP telling us how to post in bold. I will add my notes in italics.
Maybe it's not my place to bring this up (after the occasional shitting bull I've left around here and there), but I do feel like there tends to be a bias here, in the sense of "GOG vs. other digital retailers, most notably Steam". Given that GOG is heavily promoted for its DRM-free-ness, naturally people who have had bad experiences with Steam/Origin/other DRM are going to come here and vent. And I think that's okay. [He is giving us permission here because he thinks it is okay. How kind of him!]

The problem comes when people (and I'm going to the extreme here) think that GOG can do no wrong, and when some of those people are unwilling to let criticism appear on the forum. [He is saying it is not OK for people to not allow criticism to appear on the forum. Who is he to say what is allowed or not?] GOG is great, and I actually think Steam is pretty great, too, although I don't frequent it, but both are far from perfect, and if something is bothering a user, he should be able to express it without "fear" of being downvoted. [Telling us that other people's behavior should be controlled (by whom? He doesn't say, he just goes on) because people shouldn't 'fear' being downvoted.]
Well, the physical act of clicking the "-" isn't such a big deal, it's the concept behind it - like one is going to put his or her hands over his ears and go "La la la la can't hear you" to a problem that needs to be addressed.

Now in the case of the 5/10 dealio thread, some bullshit was being thrown around (by whose standards? His own. The OP had defined himself the arbiter of bullshit. I'm sure the people posting it didn't think it was. What an arrogant statement for the OP to make.], but I also think some points were made in downvoted threads that needed to be considered (OP is telling us to consider points. Apparently, the forum is not allowed to downvote what the OP doesn't think it should.), most notably what I'm bringing up here - a double-standard about what can be criticized.

So, in a nutshell, I guess what I'm suggesting is, you don't have to criticize GOG, but don't try to "block out" those who do. Same goes for other digital distributors, and maybe everything else in general. :-P (something like that) Believe it or not, it's tough for me to hear people talk bad about GOG in the various game forums, but these are still complaints that shouldn't be suppressed. Likewise, Steam complaints shouldn't be suppressed on Steam or here. (Downvoting isn't suppression. He's telling us how we can post and what we may or may not downvote. Arrogant to the max.)

Personally, I think the fact that the GOGMixes are broken (and still /up/, at least the "+" button) is unprofessional. Maybe support could be better, but I'd like to see some data on how well other digital distributors of similar size help people (more telling us what is should be allowed to be posted). I'm wondering if, as the catalogue grows, the catalogue page needs to be redesigned to promote less popular games or bring them to light on that page. And I'm sure there are other things that need to be changed or tweaked, but I have to finish a project.

Hopefully this clicks with some people without offending them. (the only one who sounds offended is the OP because he can't control how people post or downvote.)