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Posted February 03, 2013
From the wikipedia article:
"Numerous antivirus companies have assessed Alexa's toolbar. Symantec classifies the toolbar as "trackware",[25] while McAfee classifies it as adware, a "Potentially Unwanted Program."[26] McAfee Site Advisor rates the Alexa site as "green", finding "no significant problems" but warning of a "small fraction of downloads ... that some people consider adware or other potentially unwanted programs."[27] Windows Defender has classified the toolbar as malware, considering it a trojan."
Posted February 03, 2013
Post edited February 03, 2013 by lowyhong
Posted February 04, 2013
i didn't realize GOG.com is 14 years old.... very cool!
Posted February 04, 2013
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amok: especially since Origin is not a "privacy-invasive applications". There was a lot of rumours of it being so when it started due to some wording in the EULA, which since have been proven time and time again do not happen... but it is perpetuated by some people for god knows what ever reason. (the form bans - now that was real)
Not exactly. The initial privacy complaints were over Origin actually performing deep traversals of hard drives. Then the rumours began, and they were true. The EULA thing started soon after that when an update removed the offending behaviour but forced you to accept new terms which appeared to explicitly permit EA to go back to doing what they originally did at any time. This didn't fly and we got the big anti-Origin backlash, even though they weren't scanning drives at that exact moment in time.

I personally don't believe they had any malicious intent in scanning drives (I can imagine several "good intentions" reasons), but it was very overbearing. Current versions don't appear to do anything dodgy at all and should behave well for the foreseeable future, seeing how sensitive the public is to them. The current EULA is actually one of the better ones that I've seen.
Post edited February 04, 2013 by Barefoot_Monkey
Posted February 04, 2013
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tfishell: moderately educated
We know that the Fallout Survival Guide is the only usefull knowledge, on medium term. Sufficiently educated the goglodyte is.

Edit: I quick replied just after reading OP, but I see this is THE point that didn't let most of us indifferent. Pridefull the goglodyte is.
Post edited February 04, 2013 by Potzato
Posted February 04, 2013
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amok: especially since Origin is not a "privacy-invasive applications". There was a lot of rumours of it being so when it started due to some wording in the EULA, which since have been proven time and time again do not happen... but it is perpetuated by some people for god knows what ever reason. (the form bans - now that was real)
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Barefoot_Monkey: Not exactly. The initial privacy complaints were over Origin actually performing deep traversals of hard drives. After that the rumours began, and they were true. The EULA thing started soon after that when an update removed the offending behaviour but forced you to accept new terms which appeared to explicitly permit EA to go back to doing what they originally did at any time. This didn't fly and we got the big anti-Origin backlash, even though they weren't scanning drives at that exact moment in time.

I personally don't believe they had any malicious intent in scanning drives (I can imagine several "good intentions" reasons), but it was very overbearing. Current versions don't appear to do anything dodgy at all and should behave well for the foreseeable future, seeing how sensitive the public is to them. The current EULA is actually one of the better ones that I've seen.
Maybe I was to harsh and quick, for which I apologise - but the point still stands, and I still object to the sweeping (unfounded) generalisations made by drennan.
Posted February 04, 2013
Quoting from the current EULA:
You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you.
I don't think the average user can be expected to reverse engineer the Origin client to check whether they actually do this or not. They have done it before. I rest my case -- if you really don't see how accepting this and accepting spying on your internet usage are connected, I don't think we will ever come to an agreement. Let's move on. :)
Posted February 04, 2013
The real question is... how Alexa knows if I'm white or not?
Posted February 04, 2013
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drennan: Quoting from the current EULA:
Check the Steam SSA. Contains equivalent things, including Hardware scanning. So no, singling out Origin for their EULA is FUD.
No problem if you have other reasons for disliking Origin, but don't bring up the "Origin is spying on you" without more facts.
Posted February 04, 2013
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keeveek: The real question is... how Alexa knows if I'm white or not?
coupling IP (geographical) and population stats I s'ppose.

The 'educated' aspect is puzzling me though, I just asked myself how they could make an assumption like that ..... and I had a laugh thinking they 'IP cross checked' with the weekly visits to wikipedia, or something even more ridiculous.
Post edited February 04, 2013 by Potzato
Posted February 04, 2013
Sounds scary.. Also a drunken question, what is alexa? =)
Posted February 04, 2013
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Potzato: coupling IP (geographical) and population stats I s'ppose.

The 'educated' aspect is puzzling me though, I just asked myself how they could make an assumption like that ..... and I had a laugh thinking they 'IP cross checked' with the weekly visits to wikipedia, or something even more ridiculous.
Yeah, it looks like their results are pretty much falsified. But the ranking shows to some extent how many people visit...
Posted February 04, 2013
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JMich: *snip*
Please read the whole thread.
Posted February 04, 2013
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drennan: Please read the whole thread.
Correct me, you claim that people that accept Origin's EULA are more probably to install toolbars, since they don't read it, thus allowing stuff that track them. I say that Steam also has the same thing in the EULA, and people don't read that either, so by your logic, people that use steam also install toolbars.

What part have I misunderstood?
Posted February 04, 2013
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drennan: Please read the whole thread.
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JMich: Correct me, you claim that people that accept Origin's EULA are more probably to install toolbars, since they don't read it, thus allowing stuff that track them. I say that Steam also has the same thing in the EULA, and people don't read that either, so by your logic, people that use steam also install toolbars.

What part have I misunderstood?
I know nothing but usually nowadays you really need to pay attention. Freeware is getting it on with those toolbars. =)

At least they make you think that you (we) really should read those.

Edit. even those some popular things are always trying to install bing.
Post edited February 04, 2013 by Antimateria
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