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TheEnigmaticT: You are correct. But we don't get paid for running those ads. It costs us money to run them. I'm not sure how that qualifies as making money from piracy. Those banner ads attract people to GOG.com who frequent abandonware sites, however, and convert them from pirates into legal buyers.
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Darling_Jimmy: I'm not interested in the ethical component of the discussion. I just can't believe that your partners don't care about GOG funding websites that freely distribute pre-cracked infringing copies of their games but they do care about someone asking how to crack a legally purchased game for personal use.
GOG's partners probably couldn't care less about either, but on one hand we have GOG using ads to bring pirates to legal game buying and on the other we have users linking to crack sites to make it easier to remove DRM on products - and that might potentially lead to the biggest of no-no's: removing the DRM on a new game! Gasp!

True, a license holder might object to an abandonware site's activities and if they cared, they would - i.e. if they cared about the activity of abandonware sites, they would've shut them down already. Ergo, they don't really care about abandonware sites or their old games all that much. They are much more likely to care about their precious new games and DRM however.

So for GOG using advertising on abandonware we have: 1) publishers don't care about the abandonware site's activities vis-a-vis old games, 2) publishers do like the idea of turning pirates into legal buyers. Only a win. For GOGers linking to crack sites we have: Noooo! Not our DRMed new game!!!!! Only a negative.
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WBGhiro: I think that's where you're wrong GOG was entirely funded by CDProjekt as far as i know, the "partnership" between GOG and abandonia only involves these banners and the fact that games from their sites are taken down and replaced with links to GOG if they get published by GOG.
Which is also good news for publishers. They may be sure that when GOG releases their game it will be deleted from that sites. Win-win.
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Darling_Jimmy: I'm not interested in the ethical component of the discussion. I just can't believe that your partners don't care about GOG funding websites that freely distribute pre-cracked infringing copies of their games but they do care about someone asking how to crack a legally purchased game for personal use.
Obviously their partners really don't care enough about those 'pre-cracked infringing copies' to make a fuss of it, hence the term abandonware. I assume they only care about their own game/IP, and that's why AFAIK all games that are sold by GOG can't be downloaded on those websites anymore (the download link will redirect you to the respective GOG page).
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Darling_Jimmy: I'm not interested in the ethical component of the discussion. I just can't believe that your partners don't care about GOG funding websites that freely distribute pre-cracked infringing copies of their games but they do care about someone asking how to crack a legally purchased game for personal use.
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WBGhiro: I think that's where you're wrong GOG was entirely funded by CDProjekt as far as i know, the "partnership" between GOG and abandonia only involves these banners and the fact that games from their sites are taken down and replaced with links to GOG if they get published by GOG.
This is the post I was responding to.

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TheEnigmaticT: we don't get paid for running those ads. It costs us money to run them.
Which is why I used the word funding.
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Catshade: Obviously their partners really don't care enough about those 'pre-cracked infringing copies' to make a fuss of it, hence the term abandonware. I assume they only care about their own game/IP, and that's why AFAIK all games that are sold by GOG can't be downloaded on those websites anymore (the download link will redirect you to the respective GOG page).
Meanwhile, they mysteriously do care about someone cracking abandonware himself because...
Post edited November 23, 2011 by Darling_Jimmy
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Darling_Jimmy:
i see, sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Darling_Jimmy: Meanwhile, they mysteriously do care about someone cracking abandonware himself because...
Because those same tools and techniques could be used to crack their precious new games which they do care about.
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crazy_dave: GOG's partners probably couldn't care less about either, but on one hand we have GOG using ads to bring pirates to legal game buying and on the other we have users linking to crack sites to make it easier to remove DRM on products - and that might potentially lead to the biggest of no-no's: removing the DRM on a new game! Gasp!

True, a license holder might object to an abandonware site's activities and if they cared, they would - i.e. if they cared about the activity of abandonware sites, they would've shut them down already. Ergo, they don't really care about abandonware sites or their old games all that much. They are much more likely to care about their precious new games and DRM however.

So for GOG using advertising on abandonware we have: 1) publishers don't care about the abandonware site's activities vis-a-vis old games, 2) publishers do like the idea of turning pirates into legal buyers. Only a win. For GOGers linking to crack sites we have: Noooo! Not our DRMed new game!!!!! Only a negative.
Your guess is as good as mine. The ass-backwardsness is just ludicrous (to summarize my original intent.)
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Darling_Jimmy: Meanwhile, they mysteriously do care about someone cracking abandonware himself because...
Because the thread contains links to sites that provide cracks to all games? It's not mysterious, it's explicitly stated by Galmatias before the thread is locked.
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Darling_Jimmy: Your guess is as good as mine. The ass-backwardsness is just ludicrous (to summarize my original intent.)
Perhaps, but I'd wager that's the way publishers & rights holders think. They only really care about the stuff they are currently making lots of money off of - that's the handle you have to use to grasp their logic. After that ... the rest falls into place. Anything that might threaten their ability to profit off a new product must destroyed for its evilness. Anything old, anything they aren't really making money off of anymore? They couldn't care less.
Post edited November 23, 2011 by crazy_dave
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Darling_Jimmy: I'm not interested in the ethical component of the discussion. I just can't believe that your partners don't care about GOG funding websites that freely distribute pre-cracked infringing copies of their games but they do care about someone asking how to crack a legally purchased game for personal use.
I'm not interested in backwards logic. This is strategy and tactics in the core. It's results that matter, so privateers are fair play.
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Darling_Jimmy: Your guess is as good as mine. The ass-backwardsness is just ludicrous (to summarize my original intent.)
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crazy_dave: Perhaps, but I'd wager that's the way publishers & rights holders think. They only really care about the stuff they are currently making lots of money off of - that's the handle you have to use to grasp their logic. After that ... the rest falls into place. Anything that might threaten their ability to profit off a new product must destroyed for its evilness. Anything old they aren't really making money off of anymore? They couldn't care less.
Also, pursuing your rights costs money. And the lawyers that big companies employ aren't cheap. So, those "abandonware sites" are mostly ignored as going after them would cost them more than they could gain.

They usually cross the line if somebody is making money of Abandonware, than it's easier to make somebdy accountable for the costs (an they can go after the profits).

If you ever want to find the current rights holder of an old game, try selling it...
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crazy_dave: Perhaps, but I'd wager that's the way publishers & rights holders think. They only really care about the stuff they are currently making lots of money off of - that's the handle you have to use to grasp their logic. After that ... the rest falls into place. Anything that might threaten their ability to profit off a new product must destroyed for its evilness. Anything old they aren't really making money off of anymore? They couldn't care less.
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SimonG: Also, pursuing your rights costs money. And the lawyers that big companies employ aren't cheap. So, those "abandonware sites" are mostly ignored as going after them would cost them more than they could gain.

They usually cross the line if somebody is making money of Abandonware, than it's easier to make somebdy accountable for the costs (an they can go after the profits).

If you ever want to find the current rights holder of an old game, try selling it...
Good points :)
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TheEnigmaticT: You are correct. But we don't get paid for running those ads. It costs us money to run them. I'm not sure how that qualifies as making money from piracy. Those banner ads attract people to GOG.com who frequent abandonware sites, however, and convert them from pirates into legal buyers.
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Darling_Jimmy: I'm not interested in the ethical component of the discussion. I just can't believe that your partners don't care about GOG funding websites that freely distribute pre-cracked infringing copies of their games but they do care about someone asking how to crack a legally purchased game for personal use.
I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. Where do you think people got good old games before Good Old Games? GOG is providing a legitimate outlet and they're advertising so people know who they are (seems many gamers still have never heard of GOG).

Why would partners object to GOG attempting to convert pirates into paying customers? Isn't that one of the primary objectives of copy protection?
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Snickersnack: Isn't that one of the primary objectives of copy protection?
Modern CP works the other way.
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wormholewizards: I already emailed GOG team asked them to fix POD glide2x.dll because it has minor graphical glitch. But they stated that they couldn't do anything because of legal issue, that's all. I nearly went ballistic, but then i realized this legal issue is quite complicated. So yeah, maybe they didn't have source code access for certain titles.
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TheEnigmaticT: We don't have source code access for *any* titles.
Well I know THAT'S not true - there's Descent 1 and 2 for a start - they are open source!
*Capt Pedantic strikes again*
PEDANTRY!