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Fred_DM: similar to, say, black chocolate?
http://www.drugs.com/sfx/aspirin-side-effects.html
Central nervous system side effects have included agitation, cerebral edema, coma, confusion, dizziness, headache, cranial hemorrhage, lethargy and seizures.
I'd rather have black chocolate.
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Fred_DM: similar to, say, black chocolate?
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grviper: http://www.drugs.com/sfx/aspirin-side-effects.html
Central nervous system side effects have included agitation, cerebral edema, coma, confusion, dizziness, headache, cranial hemorrhage, lethargy and seizures.
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grviper: I'd rather have black chocolate.
Thanks for the tip, I just ate some. :-)
Where does it say a stroke is healthy? A tabloid worthy title for this thread ;)
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Gromuhl: Where does it say a stroke is healthy? A tabloid worthy title for this thread ;)
Yeah, the thread title is a gross misrepresentation of the article. It just says that Aspirin and Paracetamol can be dangerous, not that a stroke can have positive effects.
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Gromuhl: Where does it say a stroke is healthy? A tabloid worthy title for this thread ;)
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spindown: Yeah, the thread title is a gross misrepresentation of the article. It just says that Aspirin and Paracetamol can be dangerous, not that a stroke can have positive effects.
Well, of course a stroke can have positive effects. For example: if rotating knives were (silently) flying towards my head from behind, my future health would be improved greatly if I suffered a stroke and fell to the ground that very moment.
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grviper: Different strokes for different folks?
I like what you did there.

Did you hear about the two old ladies that saw a naked guy running past them?

One had a stroke, the other couldn't reach.
what? so my grandma died of good health? well, f+ck you, doctors, i think you're the ones with a stroke
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Gromuhl: Where does it say a stroke is healthy? A tabloid worthy title for this thread ;)
Well, it praises stroke causing medicine.
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Gromuhl: Where does it say a stroke is healthy? A tabloid worthy title for this thread ;)
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Protoss: Well, it praises stroke causing medicine.
From the gist I got from the descriptions of the article its not saying anything along those lines.
It's promoting use of one drug over another drug, both of which can potentially have some nasty side effects (especially if taken in an overdose quantity). As said earlier aspirin can cause strokes as well if its use is abused/in special (limited) cases
Well this whole topic is wrong.

The title is wrong, it should read as translated "Prohibit deadly drugs".
It does not have anything related to doctors, just bad journalism.

Strokes cause ishemia and irreparable damage via scarification replacing live functional tissue with low quality scar tissue. No sane person can say this is good and that "what does not kill you makes you stronger".

The article goes on how bad Aspirin and Paracetamol are and tries to rip a new one to some of the best drugs we today have. They are effective with rare side effects and beside the obvious cardiological application it has many benefits reducing the risk of many cancers.
These are used in every hospital in the world and have maybe the best risk/benefit ratio ever (after maybe activated charcoal).

This is, as stated before, just bad journalism trying to find a sensation where there is none.
Hm, am I acting irresponsible for taking Ibuprofen? I didn't even know it causes strokes. I guess I've been gambling my life then again and again... In any case, Aspirin and Paracetamol don't even work for me, so I guess the only alternative without a risk is just bearing the pain.
Post edited January 20, 2012 by Leroux
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Leroux: Hm, am I acting irresponsible for taking Ibuprofen? I didn't even know it causes strokes. I guess I've been gambling my life then again and again... In any case, Aspirin and Paracetamol don't even work for me, so I guess the only alternative without a risk is just bearing the pain.
My advice, don't make any medical/health decisions based on this thread or the article mentioned. Ibuprofen is very good analgesic and for most people very safe. Paracetamol is also a very god analgesic and extremely safe (I've never seen a side effect with proper doses)

If you have any concerns see your doctor because each person is different. The internet is full of useful information and garbage information for medcine just like any other topic. Don't let it guide you without expert advice
Regarding the "Aspirin as a blood thinner" theory: I'm not a physician either, but AFAIK there isn't any serious, properly controlled study that backs up the theory that the short-term blood-thinning effect of Aspirin has a long-term positive effect on stroke risk. Even if there was, consider the logic behind the recommendation. Most strokes occur because either high blood pressure caused a blood vessel to rupture, or there has enough plaque accumulated in one's vessels so that a lump of it breaks loose, travels through the blood stream, and clogs up a smaller vessel. The main risk factors are high blood pressure in the first case and atherosklerosis (hardening/narrowing of blood vessels) in the second case. Both risk factors are caused by diet (and genetic factors, but diet is the main contributor). Now, think about it: Even if Aspirin might make the blood thinner for some hours, does it really make sense to recommend it it as a prophylaxis against strokes when it just makes the blood flow somewhat smoother for a few hours? Wouldn't it make much more sense to change one's diet and prevent the high blood pressure and plaque buildup in the first place?

Regarding black chocolate as a blood thinner: Black chocolate contains less sugar than other chocolate, but more fat, which in turn is the main contributor to the clogging up of blood vessels. Any short-term blood-thinning effect of black chocolate is certain to be overridden by the long-term detrimental effect of fatty food. Put simply: _If_ black chocolate has a blood-thinning effect (which I don't know), then - by eating it - you'd basically increase your risk of getting a stroke later, but decrease the risk of getting one in the next three hours or so. I'm not sure if that's that good a deal. ;)

Regarding the linked article and whether it "praises medication that causes strokes" - it doesn't really, and I think (sorry) that that's a rather silly way of looking at it. Yes, strokes can occur under Ibuprofen, under certain conditions and if the risk is already high. It's debatable whether the medication "causes" such a stroke, or just makes it happen earlier due to creating even more "favorable" circumstances for one. But my man point here is another one: If you think that Ibuprofen should not be recommended because it "causes strokes", then you really cannot recommend any medication at all. Every medication has side effects, lots of useful and life-saving substances can be fatal if given to the wrong person, in the wrong circumstances, or in the wrong dosage. What matters is how well such fatal side-effects can be prevented. In the case of Ibuprofen, such prevention is very easy - simply don't take it continuously in large doses, and don't take it if you're sporting risk factors for stroke already. And, as for any medication, don't take it without consulting a competent physician who ideally knows you from experience.
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Fred_DM: the point they're making is not to gobble medicine down the way we generally have been, and that's a good point IMO. they recommend the new agents over the old and established ones, but in moderation.
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Protoss: If that was the point it would be ok, but they want to ban Aspirin because Ibuprofen and other stuff that gives you strokes is supposedly better.
Umm, you do realize that aspirin is a blood thinner and that whenever you have bleeding in the brain it's going to make that a lot worse, right? Sure it does somewhat less the likelihood of having an embolism, but it's not necessarily sufficient to offset the other risks.
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Leroux: Hm, am I acting irresponsible for taking Ibuprofen? I didn't even know it causes strokes. I guess I've been gambling my life then again and again... In any case, Aspirin and Paracetamol don't even work for me, so I guess the only alternative without a risk is just bearing the pain.
You shouldn't be taking Ibuprofen regularly because of the damage it does to the stomach. If you take it a few times a year it's not a problem, but if you take it regularly you should probably talk to your doctor about the risks involved.

AFAIK the only thing that doesn't do that is acetaminophen and quite frankly that stuff should have been pulled from the market years ago. Staggered overdosing is a significant problem and if you're taking too much it can kill the liver.
Post edited January 20, 2012 by hedwards
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grviper: Different strokes for different folks?
What You Talkin' About Willis?

P.S.: sorry, I can't help myself.