DarthKaal: First times I read some topics here, I was thinking "oh no, another thread ruled by I-know-all-on-all-nerds..."
I was really disappointed, because I was thinking that thread about good old games would be more mature, more open-minded, more "classy" (to quote GOG).
ohh you read one of my threads?
As to the actual topic of this discussion: Games are fun to me, they're generally meant to be fun and any significant interruption in fun pretty much stops me playing the game.
Thats not to say it's all happy smiles and laughs, some of the most fun I've had in games has come from the cathartic exercise of my darker emotions. I've had genuine sadness (Grim Fandango & GTA4 being the most notable), genuine anger (GTA4 again) and several other manifestations of cruelty from the mundane of shooting the bucket on top of the church scaffold in Mafia and having it land on the head of the worker below to the darker stuff in games like Manhunt.
The point where the challenge in a game stops being about overcoming an obstacle and instead becomes just getting the motivation to play the game is normally where I stop playing. Manhunt is a good example of this, I was enjoying the stealth & murder aspects of it for a while but by the time I got to the zoo level, the novelty of the executions had worn off, the clumsy stealth mechanic and repetitive nature of the 'knock, hide, murder, repeat' gameplay had kicked in and there wasn't a story to hold me there so I stopped playing.
I'm willing to put up with a dodgy experience if the underlying concept is good. I finished Operation Flashpoint more times that I can remember and thats one of the buggiest games I've ever encountered, exacerbated rather than improved by patches. In fact a running joke on the official codemasters OFP forum at the time involved getting the latest patch to see the newest and greatest bugs. Now OFP I loved, it had a good core concept, reasonable if somewhat intermittent execution, amazing ambition, a fair story and well made missions. By contrast, I lasted about 6-7 missions into ARMA and uninstalled it. The missions were just utter shit, when I have PERSONALLY made better missions for OFP than about half the ones I saw in ARMA (and I'd far from a good mission maker), then that was the point where I realised I'd never have fun with the game and so the bugs wouldn't be minor annoyances but disc snapping rage magnets. The mission I was on when I stopped featured a sniper team, you were the only shooter, your backup waited in the car rather than actually backing you up and you had to take out 3 trucks worth of men, alone...
I've wasted far too much of my life on experiences that I really didn't enjoy. I was one of the millions duped into buying Final Fantasy 7 for the PS1, I played it for a while and thought the combat was shit and the rest of the gameplay wasn't much better. The only reason I played as long as I did was because I was searching for this magnificent story that I kept being told was there. After a few weeks I realised that everyone was talking about the 2 text boxes that "conversations" came in when you walked up to random people on the street and pressed X. To this day I can only assume it became so heralded as a story driven opus because the reviewers were used to games on the NES where you only got ONE text box and the sheer innovative scope of more than one had blown their minds.
I do know a pair of genuine PC elitists though, the kind to which you suggest consoles as a viable gaming option with titles they might enjoy and they look at you as if you've just taken a shit in their grandmother's mouth. One is a hardcore sim & tactics obsessive who has a high spec gaming rig and pushes it to limits that consoles can't manage. He's also got a pointless bias against 3rd person games but to each their own, for the most part consoles don't hold much to interest him but he's unwilling to try them anyway. The other is frankly just annoying, he gets me to build a decent specced PC for him every few years and then mostly just plays flash games & dwarf fortress.
Wishbone: This forum, however, is where I go to find a much higher percentage of sane, intelligent people than in most other places.
I'm here as well
Also: Holy shit, wall of text!