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WeAreNotAlone:
I appreciate your post. I'm definitely not communicating as clearly as I had hoped. This isn't really about my experience last weekend, it's about extrapolating that experience. It's not about my past, it's about all of YOUR futures.

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Venom:
Thank you for your response in this thread.
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DieRuhe: +1 to OP; see no reason for down-voting. Peace.
I think he got down-voted because his past posts prior to this one revolved around his justification of why it's okay for him to pirate games (including specifically GOG games) because he's poor and then following that up with multiple attempts at game begging.
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Venom: Hi Everyone,

I'd like to take a moment to clear up the situation. Yes, right now there are two games on GOG.com (The Witcher Adventure Game and Alien vs. Predator) that come bundled with our Galaxy Launcher application.

The reason behind this decision is that those two games use Galaxy multiplayer, and for it to work we need to provide a companion application to handle user authentication and auto-updating.

Eventually, those responsibilities will be handled by the Galaxy Client, which will be a separate, standalone and OPTIONAL application.

Once the Client is released, game installers will not bundle any additional launchers or other applications.

So the current situation (a launcher app bundled with your game installer) is only temporary, as we didn't want to provide the launcher as a separate download.

If you don't plan to play in multiplayer mode you can uninstall the launcher app and launch the game directly (the launcher is also optional, but it comes bundled with the game installer).
Thank you for the clarification. That's pretty much how I understood it, but there was definitely other information out there that made it not completely clear.
Post edited December 04, 2014 by yyahoo
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cataclism: In order to install a DRM-free game on Steam you still need Steam for downloading it and installing it. If Steam closes or for some reason you lose access to your account you will never be able to install that game again, and copying the game files from a computer to another DOES NOT WORK. It's more complex than that.
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Pheace: Read more of his posts and you'd know this isn't a valid argument. Copying the game files works fine for most of those games (No installer needed). Even in the rare cases where it wouldn't, you have everything you need to get it working in the folder the game is installed.

Simply put, you're wrong. You're too hung up on the idea of an installer. Copy folder to another computer, run the exe. Play.

ou want to prove Steam is DRM-free? Provide a way to install a game on a new computer, without Steam. You can't.
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Pheace: Since you wanted proof, I just download Space Rangers, one of the games on the DRM-free list, on my computer. Copied the folder over LAN to my girlfriends computer, and started it up (on that computer). Worked just fine.
In the case where simply copying the files doesn't work but the game is drm-free, what would I need to do and what files are you refering to, when you say I have everything in the folder? I assume I'd probably need to add somthing to the windows registry? I still haven't found anything detailing how to do this.
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Spinorial: It's GOG's duty to ensure it has all the necessary rights to sell a product. It's not enough that someone comes to them and tells them "I've got the rights, you get 30%, gogogo!"
I'm quite sure that that's not true from a legal standpoint. I may not have ever signed a distributional deal for a desktop game but I have sure as hell signed dozens of documents that make me solely responsible in case someone accuses one of my clients of harming his rights because of the material I gave them. And I am quite sure that until a judge decides that I never had the right to give them usage rights for the material they can absolutely continue to do so without making themselves liable in any way. I am rather sure that's also pretty much how things work in case of the distribution of entire games.

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Spinorial: I don't want it, sirlemonhead doesn't want it, Rebellion doesn't want it, and GOG doesn't want it, but at this moment, GOG simply don't have the right to sell this version of AvP.
Okay, let's apply your logic to some other games in the catalogue:
GOG should stop selling Populous because it includes code created by a crackteam (why else would the original copy protection be partially intact rather than completely absent?).
GOG should stop selling Duke Nukem 1+2 because they contain content ripped from Turrican.
GOG should never accept Doom into the catalogue because the Doom 1 OST contains rip-offs of famous metal songs and the Cacodemon is a rip-off of D&D's Astral Dreadnought.
GOG should stop selling Stalker because bitComposer made the ridiculous claim that they have the rights to Stalker.

No, GOG should not stop selling games whenever some claims of copyright infringement are out there and the party being accused of copyright infringement is their partner rather than themselves and the party whose rights are supposedly infringed doesn't even take any legal steps or contact GOG directly.
Post edited December 04, 2014 by F4LL0UT
Nice thread.
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Venom: Hi Everyone,

I'd like to take a moment to clear up the situation. Yes, right now there are two games on GOG.com (The Witcher Adventure Game and Alien vs. Predator) that come bundled with our Galaxy Launcher application.

The reason behind this decision is that those two games use Galaxy multiplayer, and for it to work we need to provide a companion application to handle user authentication and auto-updating.

Eventually, those responsibilities will be handled by the Galaxy Client, which will be a separate, standalone and OPTIONAL application.

Once the Client is released, game installers will not bundle any additional launchers or other applications.

So the current situation (a launcher app bundled with your game installer) is only temporary, as we didn't want to provide the launcher as a separate download.

If you don't plan to play in multiplayer mode you can uninstall the launcher app and launch the game directly (the launcher is also optional, but it comes bundled with the game installer).
Good to hear Venom.

Would it be possible to get any updates on a beta release or can you tell us if re-downloading all of our GOG installers/full games through Galaxy will be needed to have our games function with Galaxy?
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F4LL0UT: No, GOG should not stop selling games whenever some claims of copyright infringement are out there and the party being accused of copyright infringement is their partner rather than themselves and the party whose rights are supposedly infringed doesn't even take any legal steps or contact GOG directly.
Stopping is a last resort, only if some agreement/understanding can't be reached. And yes, it's reasonable that the claimant should contact them. However, they most definitely need to address any such claims, even if it's to say "We've asked, we're good." The code in this particular case was written after Rebellion themselves openly released AvP Gold's source code. And while they prohibit its commercial use, I was never able to find any reference to them retaining rights to modifications made to it. So no, it's not as simple as "someone cracked something."
Post edited December 04, 2014 by Spinorial
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DieRuhe: +1 to OP; see no reason for down-voting. Peace.
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yyahoo: I think he got down-voted because his past posts prior to this one revolved around his justification of why it's okay for him to pirate games (including specifically GOG games) because he's poor and then following that up with multiple attempts at game begging.
That's what I thought. I certainly don't appreciate those posts, but I also don't support the "You've said things I don't like before so I'm going to down-vote you no matter what you say" approach either. Just stating my own personal opinion.
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BKGaming: Would it be possible to get any updates on a beta release
Some forum-exclusive news is coming very soon, stay tuned... ;)
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Spinorial: So no, it's not as simple as "someone cracked something."
Yes it is. The only difference is how likely the person who made the alterations is to step forward.
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Spinorial: So no, it's not as simple as "someone cracked something."
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F4LL0UT: Yes it is. The only difference is how likely the person who made the alterations is to step forward.
A person who cracks a binary has no legal rights to the product and is usually doing it against the product's licence.
A person who modifies code under licence has authorial rights as defined by the licence.

There's a world of difference.
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cataclism: In the case where simply copying the files doesn't work but the game is drm-free, what would I need to do and what files are you refering to, when you say I have everything in the folder? I assume I'd probably need to add somthing to the windows registry? I still haven't found anything detailing how to do this.
Open installscript.vdf with notepad and take a look at it. The "Registry" node is stuff that is entered in the registry, the "Run Process" node is stuff that is executed, with possible command arguments as well. The vdf file is human readable, and it shouldn't be that hard to understand what is needed. Feel free to ask for specific details, but I'd probably need to read the vdf somewhere.
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BKGaming: Would it be possible to get any updates on a beta release
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Venom: Some forum-exclusive news is coming very soon, stay tuned... ;)
Cool.
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cataclism: In the case where simply copying the files doesn't work but the game is drm-free, what would I need to do and what files are you refering to, when you say I have everything in the folder? I assume I'd probably need to add somthing to the windows registry? I still haven't found anything detailing how to do this.
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JMich: Open installscript.vdf with notepad and take a look at it. The "Registry" node is stuff that is entered in the registry, the "Run Process" node is stuff that is executed, with possible command arguments as well. The vdf file is human readable, and it shouldn't be that hard to understand what is needed. Feel free to ask for specific details, but I'd probably need to read the vdf somewhere.
Thank you. I'll ask more if I need to.
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Spinorial: A person who cracks a binary has no legal rights to the product and is usually doing it against the product's licence.
A person who modifies code under licence has authorial rights as defined by the licence.
There's a world of difference.
That's of no relevance to the right to use the code that guy has written.