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timppu
Favorite race: Formula__One
Registered: Jun 2011
From Finland
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omega64
Something good
Registered: Apr 2012
From Netherlands
Posted July 11, 2013
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I got bored after few hours of this and never again. But maybe I will go back to HL2 one day...
I loved the first Half life. :)
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Crosmando
chrono commando
Registered: Jan 2012
From Australia
Posted July 11, 2013
When I think of Half-Life, I don't think about "telling a story" in any way, I think about the stark mood of "being alone" in strange environments, in fact HL is probably a good example of a formula that works best with no plot arc at all, maybe a bit of a story at the start to set it up, but then just environmental exploration and shooting. HL2, especially the episodes, tried to put too much story into the game and suffered for it
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cmdr_flashheart
smthing smthing
Registered: Jan 2013
From United States
Posted July 11, 2013
Players complain too much about games when they should spend more time playing them. I also think players who look for "imagination" or "story" in military shooters are playing them on SP, and not with friends (how they're meant to be played), and that's why they get bored.
Also, I don't understand why players feel compelled to complain about games which don't appeal to them. If you don't like broccoli, do you go around complaining about why everyone else likes broccoli, or that they eat it.
And seriously, these internet celebrities are the worst offenders of this kind of stuff because they don't have anything else going on; making shit storms out of shit nuggets, just the worst kind of people.
227: ...but the comparison between them and the newer ones is reminiscent of when people try to compare jRPGs and western RPGs. The similarities—a first-person view and guns—are superficial and they're often trying to achieve completely different things, so obviously there will be significant differences between the two. That's not really going backwards so much as stepping to the side, though, more an "apples and oranges" situation than an actual regression. Maybe we should start calling modern shooters "first-person stories" to avoid the comparison. Thanks, now I don't have to say it.
Secondly, this guy conveniently forgets to mention a butt load of FPS games which came in "modern times" and are not milsims or military shooters; I would know since I've played them. It seems what he's complaining about is why his favourite type of product is not more popular; how juvenile.
Moreover, players who complain about the "lack of imagination" of certain military games are out of touch with actual modern warfare- these games have accurately portrayed it thus far, and the reason these games look similar is because their subject matter has remained unchanged.
Also, why shouldn't some games be free from fantasy elements? We don't need mutants, aliens or robots in every FPS- the ones which have them are enough.
Regardless, games are not perfect (not that I'd want them to be), but I like it when developers work hard on their game to provide a great playing experience. The only things I would like in some military shooters are advanced and challenging AI and better maps.
Also, I don't understand why players feel compelled to complain about games which don't appeal to them. If you don't like broccoli, do you go around complaining about why everyone else likes broccoli, or that they eat it.
And seriously, these internet celebrities are the worst offenders of this kind of stuff because they don't have anything else going on; making shit storms out of shit nuggets, just the worst kind of people.
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Secondly, this guy conveniently forgets to mention a butt load of FPS games which came in "modern times" and are not milsims or military shooters; I would know since I've played them. It seems what he's complaining about is why his favourite type of product is not more popular; how juvenile.
Moreover, players who complain about the "lack of imagination" of certain military games are out of touch with actual modern warfare- these games have accurately portrayed it thus far, and the reason these games look similar is because their subject matter has remained unchanged.
Also, why shouldn't some games be free from fantasy elements? We don't need mutants, aliens or robots in every FPS- the ones which have them are enough.
Regardless, games are not perfect (not that I'd want them to be), but I like it when developers work hard on their game to provide a great playing experience. The only things I would like in some military shooters are advanced and challenging AI and better maps.
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DaCostaBR
Dayman: Fighter of the Nightman
Registered: Sep 2012
From Brazil
Posted July 11, 2013
Of course not. The man is blinded by nostalgia. Once upon a time his tastes were catered to, that time was the 90's, now companies are targeting another demographic with different tastes. He just needs to accept that those games are not made for him.
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BadDecissions
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Registered: Jun 2012
From United States
Posted July 11, 2013
I tried to play Doom once. I hated the controls and wasn't super fond of anything else, so I stopped. Doom 3 was better.
Oh, and regenerating health is a better game mechanic then health packs.
Oh, and regenerating health is a better game mechanic then health packs.
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Crosmando
chrono commando
Registered: Jan 2012
From Australia
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cw8
noob user
Registered: May 2009
From Singapore
Posted July 11, 2013
He's right for most FPS games. I mean for those cases if they can be considered games, I mean just stand there and let the AI handle all the shooting for you.
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cmdr_flashheart
smthing smthing
Registered: Jan 2013
From United States
Posted July 11, 2013
I don't think the regen health mechanic is bad per se, as long as harder modes of the game provide sufficient challenge or enjoyable gameplay, it doesn't matter to me if someone else likes to play an easy game with regen health.
What's moronic is expecting people to play games in exactly your style.
What's moronic is expecting people to play games in exactly your style.
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Crosmando
chrono commando
Registered: Jan 2012
From Australia
Posted July 11, 2013
Well, it would be better if we could just have a solid separation and re-definition of the genres.
MMS (Modern Military Shooter) - Call of Duty, Battlefield, Modern Warfare, Medal of Honor, Far Cry, etc.
FPS (First Person Shooter), or Traditional FPS - Doom, Quake, Hexen, Heretic, Duke Nukem 3D, Shadow Warrior, Blood, etc.
And never shall the streams be crossed.
Though the new Rise of the Triad reboot gives me hope the "True FPS" might be making a comeback.
MMS (Modern Military Shooter) - Call of Duty, Battlefield, Modern Warfare, Medal of Honor, Far Cry, etc.
FPS (First Person Shooter), or Traditional FPS - Doom, Quake, Hexen, Heretic, Duke Nukem 3D, Shadow Warrior, Blood, etc.
And never shall the streams be crossed.
Though the new Rise of the Triad reboot gives me hope the "True FPS" might be making a comeback.
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CthuluIsSpy
Easily Butthurt
Registered: Apr 2012
From France
Posted July 11, 2013
What would Darkness II go under? That is hardly an MMS, and it's too slow and linear paced to be a Traditional FPS.
Post edited July 11, 2013 by CthuluIsSpy
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cmdr_flashheart
smthing smthing
Registered: Jan 2013
From United States
Posted July 11, 2013
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MMS (Modern Military Shooter) - Call of Duty, Battlefield, Modern Warfare, Medal of Honor, Far Cry, etc.
FPS (First Person Shooter), or Traditional FPS - Doom, Quake, Hexen, Heretic, Duke Nukem 3D, Shadow Warrior, Blood, etc.
And never shall the streams be crossed.
Though the new Rise of the Triad reboot gives me hope the "True FPS" might be making a comeback.
Moreover, you realize that such a distinction already exists, in a way, and there are enough games for people who like different styles. That's why this complaining comes off as a juvenile attempt to force everyone to like what one personally likes, which is just unnecessary.
Not to mention, I think drawing severe boundaries between games is also unnecessary, and personally I wouldn't want it because I like it when games mix genres or have unexpected elements in them.
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jepsen1977
Nemo
Registered: Mar 2009
From Denmark
Posted July 11, 2013
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And lets not forget the Doom clones back in the day that were terrible plus lets not forget how frustrating it could be to not be able to find that damn keycard anywhere in the level and be stuck for fucking days trying to hunt that fucking thing down in a maze-like level design. Old FPS where not better and 3Drealm created DN3d for the very same reasons that Infinity Ward creates MW-games and that's for profit.
Yes, FPS have changed over the years but it's not all for the worse. Regen health is not better or worse than big floating boxes called med-packs - it just creates different gameplay.
I'm happy that we got games like Half Life 1/2 NOLF 2, Deus Ex, Medal of Honor, Call of Duty 1 etc. and not just Doom 8 and Duke Nukem 3D 11 and Blood 7.
Trends change in the gaming industry and fast-paced FPS went out of style and that sucks but don't kid yourself into thinking that everything was so much better 20 years ago because it was not.
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wizardtypething
APPROVES OF ASS
Registered: Aug 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted July 11, 2013
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amok
FREEEEDOOOM!!!!
Registered: Sep 2008
From United Kingdom
Posted July 11, 2013
I am starting to wonder now - are you actually incapable of engaging with somone who have other opinions than yourself without insulting them?