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hohiro: Altogether i like it more :)

One thing you could think of is putting another 2TB or even more HDD in to boot from the SSD and have the programs and games you use most on the SSD and install the others on the HDD. My steam library alone is 1,5TB and I dont even play much ;)
thanks

I got a 3T HDD i bought late last year plus another 1T before that and the original 500GB in my old system. I will leave the 500GB in the old system to keep it complete.

Come to think of it, that 1T HDD is from our old portable drive... it started doing that clicking noise so i retired it to the PC and it has worked perfectly ever since. I have done that a number of times with portable drives that started failing and even one that had completely failed worked once connected in the PC.
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cjrgreen: Overclocking is ONLY for power users for whom overclocking is within their comfort zone. If it is not, and you have said it is not, nobody has any business telling you that you should, and you should stop listening to those people.

Even if you are not overclocking, questions like "do I need an aftermarket cooler" and "what motherboard chipset is best for what I want to do" are valid.

Stock coolers (the ones that come with the CPU in a boxed set) are the minimum the manufacturer can get away with. They are good enough to run the CPU at its stated clock speed and power, in an ordinary home or office environment. But they are also cheap, flimsy, and noisy. Intel's "pushpin" design is especially troublesome; sometimes it is hard to mount, and it often makes you feel like you're about to crack your motherboard trying.

For Intel sockets, an inexpensive cooler of a design that has a backplate is a good investment in peace of mind and ease of assembly even if you are not going to overclock.

Intel motherboards are available with a bewildering variety of chipsets. The chipset determines things like how many PCI-Express lanes are available to the expansion slots, what version and how many USB connectors you can have, as well as whether the motherboard will do SLI or Crossfire or overclocking.

For Haswell (LGA 1150) CPUs, the compatible chipsets are:

H81: bare minimum, for low-cost systems only. Only 6 PCI-Express 2.0 lanes for peripherals. No PCI-e 3.0 at all. Only 2 RAM slots.

B85, Q85: step up for low-cost systems. Adds PCI-e 3.0, 2 more PCI-e 2.0 lanes, 2 more USB 3.0 and SATA 3.0 ports. 4 RAM slots.

Q87, H87: another step up for low-cost systems. More USB 3.0 and SATA 3.0 ports (6 of each).

Z87: preferred for high-performance systems. Supports 2 or 3 PCI-e 3.0 slots for SLI or Crossfire.

For a system you do not intend to expand, especially since you are reusing older disks that won't gain from SATA 3.0, motherboards with B85 and Q85 chipsets are usually the best value.
I am given to understand that the Z87 chipsets also allow you to overclock and this feature is exclusive to them. Of course, you'd need a k processor to take advantage of this.
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Lionel212008: I am given to understand that the Z87 chipsets also allow you to overclock and this feature is exclusive to them. Of course, you'd need a k processor to take advantage of this.
Mostly, but not exclusively. ASUS is selling motherboards that can overclock K-series processors with a B85 or H87 chipset.

http://www.asus.com/News/jLaOehAeS7oh3NYi

Intel doesn't like this and has altered the microcode in recent Haswells to prevent it. Market segmentation is a big deal in their business strategy, and they will go out of their way to prevent lower-priced parts from being used above the performance you paid for.
Post edited March 28, 2014 by cjrgreen
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iippo: So what would you use the second PCIe slot for if not for other GPU? 99% do not need it.

What do you need the 2 extra memory slots for? save few bucks?

And they are NOT too expensive, nor the cases.

I am gaming on one myself. Bitfenix Prodigy. not the smallest ITX, but can fit anything there i could ever want.
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jjsimp: Mine has a wireless card, but there are some people that do not like onboard sound. Some people use video capture cards. I could use one of those USB wireless adapters, but I find their range and bandwith is crippled and the last one I had didn't start with windows half the time.

Memory slots: if price drops to dirt cheap levels I will be buying an additional set.

Case: the last ITX I built required a non-standard power supply. I do not like that at all.
I bought mobo with integrated 802.11AC and v4 Bluetooth -> no need for any external stuff in that regard.

Sound card? I doubt you need one if you just listen to music and play games. I might understand getting one if youre making music and need some special input / output options..but i can imagine that even those could be overcome. There are external soundcards for example.

Most ITX cases (gamers in mind) accept regular sized PSU's. The very smallest and otherwise creative ones might need smaller PSU, but one has to know what he wants to do with the case.

example of neat SFX PSU case: http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=333
FWIW overclocking isnt worth it. Just buy a system you can get the best value for $$$ without thinking about OC...
Ran into a little snag buying my system at CPL online.....

Went to the checkout and payment, no Visa option! and Paypal limited to $500 dollars and has 3% surcharge.

NEXT!
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mystikmind2000: Ran into a little snag buying my system at CPL online.....

Went to the checkout and payment, no Visa option! and Paypal limited to $500 dollars and has 3% surcharge.

NEXT!
Who the fuck doesn't take Visa? Seriously. And Paypal is a huge pain in the ass. If I remember correctly, if you give them more info to prove you are who you say you are, they will raise the limit. But if you don't trust them with all that info, I don't blame you.
Post edited March 28, 2014 by monkeydelarge
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monkeydelarge: Who the fuck doesn't take Visa? Seriously. And Paypal is a huge pain in the ass. If I remember correctly, if you give them more info to prove you are who you say you are, they will raise the limit. But if you don't trust them with all that info, I don't blame you.
When i asked them why there was no Visa option they said they only take Visa in store.... in the store that is in Melbourne while i live in Sydney!!

They only take bank deposit which i can do, but cash withdrawal on Visa gets 20% interest whereas 'purchases' are interest free for 24 months.

Rich or not, who the hell keeps money in the bank these days, you tell me??? I don't get how they stay in business?
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cjrgreen: MicroATX is good if you do not need SLI, Crossfire, or a lot of expansion slots. But there are not many good microATX motherboards being built now. It's a good choice if you are building an AMD FM2 system. But not for LGA 1150.
I have a Z87 mATX with 3 PCIe slots. Asus makes two or three Z87 mATX that can run SLI. Granted both slots won't be x16, but you can SLI with mATX. Last I heard video cards didn't even saturate an x8 connection. I think if you try to do tri-SLI it drops down to x8x8x4 or something like that.
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iippo: Sound card? I doubt you need one if you just listen to music and play games. I might understand getting one if youre making music and need some special input / output options..but i can imagine that even those could be overcome. There are external soundcards for example.
I agree with you a PCI Sound Card is not needed now, but there are still people out there that insist on them. They must have the hearing of a cat to hear a difference, but to each his own.
Post edited March 28, 2014 by jjsimp
Looks like a very nice rig for the price. I dont think that you can do better.
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mystikmind2000: When i asked them why there was no Visa option they said they only take Visa in store.... in the store that is in Melbourne while i live in Sydney!!
You crazy Aussies and your PC buying problems. It's like you guys are 10 years behind us in availability. Sydney is a very large city, why aren't there hundreds of PC vendors there. Is your country filled with a bunch of technophobes?
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mystikmind2000: When i asked them why there was no Visa option they said they only take Visa in store.... in the store that is in Melbourne while i live in Sydney!!
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jjsimp: You crazy Aussies and your PC buying problems. It's like you guys are 10 years behind us in availability. Sydney is a very large city, why aren't there hundreds of PC vendors there. Is your country filled with a bunch of technophobes?
Well there are hundreds of vendors in Sydney but the prices are just bizarre, i mean it's absolutely impossible to do business with them, f****n useless,,,,,, useless.

If anything, the country is full of idiots who keep buying from them and encouraging more idiot pricing, ,,, that's what i think is the underlying problem.
You could get most of those parts* from PC Case Gear instead - they accept Visa

Link to PC Case Gear cart with parts
Same prices as you quoted but the GTX770 is $14 cheaper.

*The only thing missing is the Antec EA-650 PSU - you could get it separately from Scorptec (also accepts Visa) or pick a different model?
Post edited March 28, 2014 by DreadMoth
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DreadMoth: You could get most of those parts* from PC Case Gear instead - they accept Visa

Link to PC Case Gear cart with parts
Same prices as you quoted but the GTX770 is $14 cheaper.

*The only thing missing is the Antec EA-650 PSU - you could get it separately from Scorptec (also accepts Visa) or pick a different model?
Thanks for that but i managed to find all the parts on MWAVE (a tiny bit dearer) except the case, but found a better case.

The order went through using VISA, they made a sale because they accept VISA and they got their money through VISA.... i do believe VISA purchases online are becoming more common these days? but if ever i am in Melbourne and need to buy a horse and cart, i will pop in to CPL !



ASRock Z87 Extreme4 LGA 1150 Motherboard $189.00
Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Memory CMZ8GX3M1A1600C10B $108.99
Antec EA-650 EarthWatts Platinum Power Supply $142.81
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" SATA III SSD MZ-7TE250BW $195.00
Antec X1-E Mid-Tower Gaming ATX Case $69.00
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM 64-Bit $115.00
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 2GB OC Edition Video Card $415.00
Intel Xeon E3-1230v3 Quad Core LGA 1150 3.3GHz CPU Processor $317.99
Microsoft 2LF-00020 Wireless Desktop 800 Keyboard & Mouse $59.98

TOTAL = $1607.79


WD Elements 2TB USB3 Portable External Hard Drive WDBU6Y0020BBK $139.00
Shipping cost $27.78
Transaction fee $35.59
TOTAL = 1810.16

CPL freight charge from Melbourne to Sydney was $39 - more expensive but vastly cheaper factoring in distance.
CPL had 2% surcharge on VISA (in store) which worked out about the same as the transaction fee.
Interesting thread, I thought the parts I was about to buy,then I looked at the prices down under and my mouth is agape.

Is pc gaming very minor over there, or are the parts just very hard to get a hold of?