Reasoning and explanations are present at post #690 and a bit at #737. Found no reason to repeat myself, but I will if necessary.

To sum up:
1. Hasted lynch of Baron - nmillar couldn't answer. Your explanation didn't make it look any better.
2. Hammering Baron on D2 and yet attack Muttly on D3 for starting the wagon.
3. Your quick transition to TB seems to me like signaling the most likely mis-lynch.

Hope it doesn't merge.

@Rob - I quoted it but forgot to reply.
Can you point to those falsehoods you mention?

Appears I was completely wrong about Muttly. Though can't understand why the mafia didn't at least roleblock him night 2. Seems you're as good at breadcrumbing as Nmillar.

Is that a breadcrumb saying your going to investigate Red that night?

@Muttly assume you decided to investigate Vitek because of his odd posts?

As for Twilight's claim. I though we'd decided that auto claiming was a bad thing. Instead you should only claim if you're at L-1 and someone has said they will hammer you. Don't think having the name adds anything to the flavour he posted. So more likely to be a lyncher. But then why would he mention the name. Unless he was hoping to get a reaction.

My flavour is short and direct.

@Joe Damuna added a godfather in game 2 to balance the cop.

Seems like deadline panic has set in already.

Find Vitek's change of heart about Twilightbard strange. As he's gone from this:

To ranking Twilight higher than himself in his town to mafia reads.

Peanut has leaped up my list of potential mafia. As his opinion of Twilight has changed from not having much on him.

To Twilight having been his backup all day.

@Rob You've already brought this up in p686. My answer remains the same as it was in p687. Which is think that was the third or fourth time Joe had asked the question. Which leads me to believe you had been ignoring it. As could see you missing it once but more than that just seems odd.

@Pazzer

Not sure if I understand your complaint against me. I'd like to point out that the main issue I have with Twilightbard was his attempt to pressure a claim from itai, which happened between the two posts you cited.

What I meant by backup suspect was that if Muttly turned out to be town (or had a believable claim) then my back-up suspect would probably be the one pursuing him more so than anyone else.

Because why are you softclaiming now? People were believing muttly why would you start drawing attention to yourself?
I'm assuming that your "ffs" comment was referring to people not picking up on your hint as well? Drawing a lot of attention what are you building up to?

If you have something that you know what is the good of hinting at it?
Either you shold have come out with your information, knowing that the cop was the likely murder for the night, or you should have kept silent and waited for the right time to claim.

Also you're doing the complimenty thing that Red Baron did. :op It has had a ONE PER ONE success rate at identifying non-town.
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Pazzer, Vitek explained that the first time he voted for twilight was a sort of vague complex joke aiming to point out flawed logic on the part of Mt Sharim (I think).

Penut my problem is you go from saying you have little in way of a case against Twilight to him suddenly having been your backup suspect all day. Also you didn't give any reason apart from him been your backup when you voted.

But Pazzer, I clearly haven given reasons since.

In my head there were two alternate realities, one where muttly is revealed as scum and one where he is revealed as town. In each of these scenarios I figured out which three people most likely had to be scum due to process of elimination. When muttly was essentially revealed as town (and theoretically confirmed Vitek as well) that left very few options for who could be scum. TB then pulled the itai switch (and backed off when he realized he couldn't get a wagon going) which instantly made me suspicious. Combine that with the fact that TB as scum fits into my reads (i.e. I was neutral on him in the muttly as town scenario) and you have a perfectly valid reason to vote.

I feel like you're ignoring the sequence of events to try to pull up a case. Anyway I explained myself twice now, I figure that should be enough to make my reasoning clear.


Whoops, almost submitted this when I noticed what you mean by the day thing. I was referring to actual physical days, not in game days. Poor terminology, my bad.

Was 15 - 16 a4 pages to catch up on so sorry I missed the bit where you explained your reasons.

Day and yesterday are tricky in mafia games as can refer to actual and in game. I tend to assume they refer to in game. Which is why I found your post odd.

Sorry for my lack of activity, I have job interview tommorow and didn't feel like reading through your scummy posts today. :-) I'll try to post something tommorow.

My advice: Next time say such conclusions aloud only in scum-chat if you want them to happen.

Is muttly really only person who understands I was being sarcastic?
Read , [url=http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/forum_mafia_game_10/post671]this, , [url=http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/forum_mafia_game_10/post673]this and this.

@Twilight; what does your flavour implies about the other John Smith? Why do you have him in your flavour? Could he be mafia? PR? Your lynchee? Or not even in game?

Sorry Pazzer not getting this bit, who is a lyncher, TwilightBard or the other John Smith?

@Vitek: You seem very curious about this other John Smith, what are you thinking?

@Stuart Was referring to TwilightBard

Ummmm, the reason I managed to get into the party I believe. I have no real details even of how I managed to get in, but that detail about another John Smith makes me believe that I got in because of his name. I just have that he's a sales manager and the reason this launch was turned into a profit.

I wish I was able to give more information out, but I just don't have it. I can't tell if he's a player, or just a named NPC to give an explanation as to why I'm here. I've given out everything that's in my flavor, there's really no information left to hand out.

I've stated I'm suspicious of Rob, yes, and I won't lie and say I'm not. BUT, at this stage I want to read and build some kind of case instead of lynching randomly off of my suspicions. At this point we can't afford not to be careful.

I do find that post interesting though, because it seems REALLY odd to me.