As I survivor I do find it rather offensive that you say you ID'ed a third party.. You didn't. You made a weak claim that I was scum. Thats not the same thing. The only reason you have this knowledge is because I decided to share it mainly to avoid that claim your making there to save you on day3, in case I was lynched.

I fail to see how not getting copious amounts of info from CrazyBears lynch something that makes me scum. Someone I would like to point out I didnt vote for. I am sure you find that scummy as well. Seems if I vote or dont vote I am scummy in your book. As I said, drop the preconception for a moment and things will become clearer for you.

Again, I did not, in fact, go around with Baron. I stated my case and there it sat until others came to agree based on my statements or Barons many holed rants. I would again like to point out assuming Barons claim is accurate, we were right to do so. You seem to place no value in that.

If you would like to reread my post I asked for peoples thoughts on what they felt regarding keeping Baron around. Pretty clear I thought, not seeing the twisting of words there and no benefit to your fantasy NK.

If nothing else, you find it more beneficial to town to lynch me, at the very least an unknown, over a known threat that I exposed. How does this make any sense? I get your insistence that you "know" I am scum, but in fact, you dont. And you do know (and agree I might add) that Baron needs to go. Explain to me the thought process here and how others should be reading your actions as town.

WEll...
theBaron has claimed neutral survivor.
As it goes neutral survivor should die.
But why claim neutral survivor?
Town don't lie so town shouldn't claim neutral survivor. Neutral survivor claim will get you lynched so neutral survivor won't claim neutral survivor.
Neutral survivor claim will get you lynched so mafia won't claim neutral survivor.

Perhaps a mafia stuck in a corner with another town, Knowing that he'll get lynched no matter what, and knowing that the neutral survivor is more likely to be trusted than town... I'm trying to say. Seeing as we're going to lynch RedBaron for being a neutral (his potential to ensure a mafia victory MUST outweigh any scumhunting potential and make him an unlikely nightkill target) we might as well test his claim: if he turns out to be actually mafia then muttly's sort of in the clear?

There is a theory that they both are mafia which I'm not going to disregard I suppose...

AND I can't ignore- If he wasn't a neutral survivor why would he claim vigilante? winewinewine I don't know.

I have drunk some rum, (happy birthday sirprimalform's little brother!) so be aware!! of the dangers of ethanol pouisohninmg

Just a quick one before I go to sleep, you seem to assume I claimed neutral - I never said that ;)

Interesting reveal. I didn't expect that one.

Still, I'm pretty ok with lynching a survivor. Even if Red claims he's on our side, he really isn't. Like others say, it makes him a poor night kill target, and It would be just so easy to flip, and I'm not exactly comfortable leaving that extra night kill floating around. I'm probably not alone in that I'd rather not be night killed just because Baron doesn't like my arguments against him; his overreactions towards those who suspect him don't really fill me with comfort and it's a lot of power for one person to have.

I'm in agreement with Joe here; we could learn a lot from testing the claim, and it's better than accidentally lynching a town.

Side note, I've found Muttly's last few posts to be pretty weird. Why is he trying to take credit for outing Red as a neutral? That wasn't his goal in the first place, and it seems like a pretty weak attempt to build goodwill. Obviously it's not a solid scumtell, or really a tell at all, but I just found the "I told you so" bit kind of offputting. Something to consider another day.

I forgot to add before hitting post, damn that 10minut limit when one wants to sleep.
But yea, basically I have an additional win condition I must fulfill in order to be able to win.
I've already hinted at it a few times now, so some might have caught on. But anyway its basically that I have to succeed with a nightkill in order to win, but if I am blocked, if I hit a town or if I simply don't use my ability I can't win - Hence my previous mention of hatred.
Too tired for now, but depending on if I am alive or not when I wake up tomorrow I can paraphrase the reason for it in my story, though even with the story I must say its a tough condition when I am a one-shot :(

Agree with Vietk survivor would want to keep a low profile. Though can understand why Red reacted to Muttly's post. As all it does is paint Red to be mafia. Tempted to change my vote.
But I just can't see how we can let a survivor especially one with a night kill live.

Votecount:

5 - Red_Baron (Muttly, Pazzer, Stuart, Joesapphire, Peanutbrittle)
5 - Muttly13 (Robbeasy, Red_Baron, Nmillar, Twilightbard, Vitek)
1 - Stuart9001 (Itai.sharim)

Not voting:

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 8am GMT 26 January.

Agreed that we can't let a survivor really continue - but I do really think Muttly is scum. What itai says has merit - if Baron was sure Muttly is scum, and he is on the side of town as much as he says, he could have kept quiet and vigged Muttly tonight.

I don't see how continuing with this will do anything other than muddy the waters, so I'm going to take a leaf out of nmillars book and do the deed. Should Baron turn up exactly as he says, then I'm all for lynching Muttly tomorrow.

Unvote Muttly

Vote Red_Baron

Votecount:

6 - Red_Baron (Muttly, Pazzer, Stuart, Joesapphire, Peanutbrittle, Robbeasy)
4 - Muttly13 (Red_Baron, Nmillar, Twilightbard, Vitek)
1 - Stuart9001 (Itai.sharim)

Not voting:

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Red_Baron has been lynched.

I am at work, so lynch scene may not be up for another 8 - 10 hours.
Feel free to Chat / Accuse / Recriminate / Party / Whatever among yourselves until then.

So wwhen you got this role your mindset was to play this role pro-town and you wanted town to win no matter your role?

Wait, what? Now you are claiming town survivor? Or even mafia one? I am starting to be glad Robbeasy hammered you.


Not true. Jesskitten claimed neutral survivor and town blindly believed it, saying her gamestyle fits it. Guess what she was? Yes, mafia.
Btw. memebr of town by then was the same Robbease who blindly believes survivor claim again and according his words lynched Red becasue he is survivor not becasue he thinks he lies. ;-)

Right question.

@Red's is it specific person you had to kill or just mafia or third party?

If he really flips survivor I think we still should stay focused on muttly. Then on itai and then... we will see there is too much of them. Robbeasy, Peanut, Joe and some others. :-)
If he flips mafia? Hmmm, then I am really unsure as I haven't considered such option until now. Nmillar I guess, maybe Twilight, Rob... I really don't know it just doesn't fit my so far reads.

Survivor or Mafia - I think the only correct course is to get rid as soon as possible. Like you say, we should get plenty of useful info when he is gone...

My intent is not to take sole credit for Baron, it is to point out it was started by me. You can call it weak, scummy, whatever you like. Yes, originally I thought he was scum. As I have said I do actually believe his claim. Does this now mean that ferreting out a danger to town should be inherently viewed as scummy?

I would also like to request that those who find me scummy for whatever reason, go back and read my posts yourself. Take it out of the contrived bottle they have been put in by the line by line dissection and come to your own conclusion.

Shame - I would have liked to help you - Now your going to have one less on the side of town and most likely yet another dead townie at night, when you could have had one less scum and me as a potential NK or roleblock, due to scum not wanting to be killed.

Yes, it would. If he was scum. If he wasn't I would lose. I needed more from him than just one scummy post. Hence my attempt to get a discussion going, which failed due to his extreme circling.


Yes, kinda due to my role - I am what I would call a person on my way to become full-fledged town vigilante, who just haven't reached it yet. My story, which now doesn't matter due to the hammer, is what I already said before. However the addition is that I've gotten into my mind that scum must die, not just be arrested, but die. Hence why I said, that I didn't say anything about being neutral.

I am not, if you read the post about my kill you see what I mean ;) Of course I could have won with both, but yea you know what I mean by now - Nightkilling scum requires me to hunt for them, hence making me more town aligned in my opinion.


A shame really, that it happened, though I know most tend to lynch survivor, it does in my head make way more sense to kill a scum who can't win with town... But hey, might just be me.

No, just scum. But well, if I failed then eh.. I couldn't win. So I needed to be 100% sure, hence my attempt to draw out every scum I could. Should make it easy on you know that you have faulty statements from muttly13, penut - hell even joe and Itai.

Please remember that sentence ;) And also why Robbeasy? Except having an odd idea about lynching your help, he has been mostly on my side in this. But I leave that in towns hands, do revenge my death as I would have yours.

Last thing, just remembered: I like how you didn't give nmillar time to respond as to why he wanted my name :D And also, muttly13 you can't survive this, and if you do call me impressed.

Bathing the world in a sea of scummy blood will make my soul happy indeed. It looks so pretty when they turn innocent in death again.