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Posted January 04, 2012
@muttly13 - Why are you so fixed on lynching lurkers?

@nmillar and rob - why do you think lynching lurkers is so scummy? Couldn't really get into your heads there.
Posted January 04, 2012
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itai.sharim: @nmillar and rob - why do you think lynching lurkers is so scummy? Couldn't really get into your heads there.
I didn't say it was scummy; I just feel it's a bit inappropriate during the (now elapsed) holiday season.
Posted January 04, 2012
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itai.sharim: @muttly13 - Why are you so fixed on lynching lurkers?

@nmillar and rob - why do you think lynching lurkers is so scummy? Couldn't really get into your heads there.
Because they add nothing to the game if they are town and is an easy tatic to avoid suspision if they are mafia. So I am more than happy to remove them barring a good case against someone else.

Orry is a great example. He has said nothing but before I voted him hasnt even come up in discusion. So for a good portion of the game he goes completely under the radar simply by not participating. Yet someone who posts like Stuart (and he may be mafia, not making a call on that here) gets called up because he has put info out there, damning or not.

I mean hell, its possible we will have three or four people who wont post 3 or 4 days prior to a no-lynch. And they very likely wont be called to the mat for it. Thats just sad.
Posted January 04, 2012
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itai.sharim: @muttly13 - Why are you so fixed on lynching lurkers?

@nmillar and rob - why do you think lynching lurkers is so scummy? Couldn't really get into your heads there.
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muttly13: Because they add nothing to the game if they are town and is an easy tatic to avoid suspision if they are mafia. So I am more than happy to remove them barring a good case against someone else.

Orry is a great example. He has said nothing but before I voted him hasnt even come up in discusion. So for a good portion of the game he goes completely under the radar simply by not participating. Yet someone who posts like Stuart (and he may be mafia, not making a call on that here) gets called up because he has put info out there, damning or not.

I mean hell, its possible we will have three or four people who wont post 3 or 4 days prior to a no-lynch. And they very likely wont be called to the mat for it. Thats just sad.
Generally, I agree with this. However, an exception has to be made for the Christmas period!
Posted January 04, 2012
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nmillar: Generally, I agree with this. However, an exception has to be made for the Christmas period!
Granted. Yet I made a enormous effort on my part to avoid posting since my last vote count deal and nobody has said a word about Zs post. Vitek doesnt count as he didnt say a word, he just voted in what is becoming something of an MO, but thats another post. Even Itals questions are just contrived pokes to get his name on the board as everyone knows the answers to those questions he posed. And I am no stranger to wanting to see people put things in black and white and ask those questions myself, but at the very least I would assume I am not under suspicion for lack of participation.
Posted January 04, 2012
We should lynch some lurker in some game finally. We are talking about it a lot but never did it so far. It would be nice exemplary case. ;-)
Posted January 04, 2012
OK, after some thought on the matter - Unvote Robbeasy, Vote stuart9001.

I'd hate to lynch an active player but self contradiction too much to ignore.
Posted January 04, 2012
Would be really surprised if Viteks right and no one has been lynched for lurking. As it seems to come up every game.

Can't remember Crazybear or Orryyrro posting in awhile. Don't think either of them posted saying they were busy. It's after Christmas now so activity should have picked up and everyone should be posting. Especially when it's only a few days before deadline.

Vote Orryyrro
Posted January 04, 2012
*claps hands slowly*
Well done you have successfully proved just how scummy you really are.

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stuart9001: It reads like a call to lynch lurkers to me.
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Zchinque:
This post only exists to try and create a wagon out of desperation I'd say?

First a couple of definitions (from meriam-webster online)
read: (vt) 4 a. : to attribute a meaning to (as something read) : interpret
like: (adj) 1 a : the same or nearly the same

Next the quote in full (from 299 as I dont seem to be able to quote myself) and I have also left a little in as it is relevant.
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Zchinque: snip
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stuart9001: @Rob: Can I ask how you can unvote Zchinque in the same post as criticising lurker voting, when Zchinque is at the very least complicit in this. calling for any voting at all. Allow me to quote from post #243.



It reads like a call to lynch lurkers to me. So here we have what by your definition is "mafia trying to start a bandwagon" and you unvoted him at the same time as saying this. Care to comment?
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Zchinque: Why would you misrepresent me by taking that quote out of the very relevant context - as a reply to a post by yourself?

Now allow me to quote the same part of my #243 in context:

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Zchinque: No, a lurker lynch is more or less forced upon us by the mod and most of the players lurking. People don't seem to be interested in finding scum, they're only interested in not sticking their necks out.
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Zchinque: The talk of lynching lurkers was something I took from your post (which is not to say that you called for or advocated it). I did not "call for" a lurker lynch, but I acknowledged that with the general activity level and the deadline - this was before the short three-day extension, mind - another venue seemed unlikely. Heck, I'd say that the last part of the quote should reveal that I was not particularly fond of the idea of lynching a random lurker.


You seem to be the only the one to criticize my level of activity - I've been criticized for lots, but not that - and you've done so several times. As such, I'd like to ask who you find to have been "active participants in the game so far".
Now it a full quote and not carefully edited you can see that firstly it is a question to Rob, and as such its a bit of a stretch to regard it as a "statement" of anything. it is a question phrased so as to try and elicit Robs opinion on Zchinque.

I placed some definitions earlier as they are the ones I intended for this to mean, how it read in my head was as follows.

Rob why have you unvoted Zchinque aftrer saying this

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Robbeasy: snip

Unvote Zchinque - i accept the reasoning that as one of the few players to push the game aloing, he shouldn't be voted for. In hindsight, my vote for him was wrong. Unlike many people who play the game, I will admit when my reasoning isn't perhaps 100% (many who have played Mafia with me before will know this happens quite a lot).

I just cant believe lurking is being levelled as a reason for lynching, with the xmas period happening. It stinks of Mafia trying to desperately get a bandwagon formed.
when it is possible to interpret

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Zchinque: No, a lurker lynch is more or less forced upon us by the mod and most of the players lurking. People don't seem to be interested in finding scum, they're only interested in not sticking their necks out.
as Zchinque calling for lynching lurkers.

Now I said that there were important bits in #299. Firstly It's apparent that Zchinque has a problem with being quoted out of context bu has no problem doing it to others is this scummy? It kind of sums up his entire game as just a big mass of hypocrisy.

I find the next paragraph interesting too.

Sooooo.......

Here we have misquoting, misrepresentation and general scumminess.

Unvote CrazyBear, Vote Zchinque

No Red Baron, this is not because I am voting for someone who has attacked me, its because one of the players I have found to be scummy has added even more scumminess to his account.

As he is "getting the game going though" I doubt anyone will bother to notice.

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Vitek: Are you going to say anything to this or not, Stuart?
unvote, vote Stuart.
What a surprise, Vitek taking sides with with Zchinque, I didn't see that one coming!

I hope the quotes turn out OK in this, I'll plaintext it later if they haven't.
Posted January 04, 2012
Oh no it all gone wrong...... again.

Anyone need it reposting?

Basically Zchinque has quoted a question aimed at rob out of context and edited it to show things in a bad light. It doesn't claim that Zchinque called for a lynch the lurkers movement just that a statement he made could be interpreted as him advocating one which was opposed to robs point of view.
Posted January 04, 2012
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stuart9001: *claps hands slowly*
Well done you have successfully proved just how scummy you really are.

This post only exists to try and create a wagon out of desperation I'd say?

First a couple of definitions (from meriam-webster online)
read: (vt) 4 a. : to attribute a meaning to (as something read) : interpret
like: (adj) 1 a : the same or nearly the same

What a surprise, Vitek taking sides with with Zchinque, I didn't see that one coming!

I hope the quotes turn out OK in this, I'll plaintext it later if they haven't.
When you say it "reads like to you" it indicates you think it is so.

May I ask what are we desperate for?

I voted you because it seemed the game has halted (near deadline) as everybody was waiting for your response and you weren't responding.
Posted January 04, 2012
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itai.sharim: @muttly13 - Why are you so fixed on lynching lurkers?

@nmillar and rob - why do you think lynching lurkers is so scummy? Couldn't really get into your heads there.
As nmillar said - in general I totally agree with lynching lurkers, but was angry that I was being called out over the xmas period, mainly due to the short deadline. I understand the first lynch needs some reasoning behind it, but trying to use 'lurking' in this instance I felt was terrible, due to the xmas break.

@Muttly - I agree with you that Orry should definitely have spoken up by now.

@Stuart - you do bring up a good point in your convoluted response - zchinque is taking things out of context himself while lambasting someone for doing exactly the same thing. However your contradiction still stands and is a big strike against...

@Vitek - you do seem quite abrupt with your vote - you yourself said you rarely change your vote (#314) . Twice now you've followed zchinque in without really giving any of your own reasoning - care to explain a bit more why you want to vote for Stuart?
Posted January 04, 2012
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pazzer: Can't remember Crazybear or Orryyrro posting in awhile. Don't think either of them posted saying they were busy. It's after Christmas now so activity should have picked up and everyone should be posting. Especially when it's only a few days before deadline.
That's because I'm not busy.

To answer the earlier question about whether I think nmillar should be lynched based on his playstyle, not really. nmillar creates pressure which causes people to make things slip, zchinque seems to just confuse to try and do the same thing, however in doing so he also obfuscates everything.
Posted January 04, 2012
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Robbeasy: However your contradiction still stands and is a big strike against...

@Vitek - you do seem quite abrupt with your vote - you yourself said you rarely change your vote (#314) . Twice now you've followed zchinque in without really giving any of your own reasoning - care to explain a bit more why you want to vote for Stuart?
It is my third vote in this game. First was RVS and second was 14 days ago, so I don't think I am exactly jumpy with my vote.
I voted him becuase he didn't respond and it seemed to stall game. Also there is the contradiction, as you pointed out too. ;-)
Posted January 04, 2012
Vietk as Rob pointed out that's the second time you've gone along with Zchinque. I don't get where this blind faith comes from.
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