Stuart: In post 101, you put something that I posted but attributed it to Vitek as a direct quote.

Maybe this was a mistake, maybe it wasn't, either way, you should be lynched for it. Why?

Well, you were stirring up alot of crap at the time and I think you did that misquote on purpose to confuse things because you are mafia.

If it was a mistake, and you are not mafia, you are asking us to believe that you can't figure out how to quote someone correctly in this forum. Which makes you not only computer illiterate, but also a liability in this game because you will just end up misquoting people and confusing things.

So either way, I vote that you need to go, and that's my final answer.
Since I can't edit my posts, I forgot to add something, Stuart, look at your post 255.

EVERYTHING is in italics. How the hell is anyone supposed to know what is a quote and what is you posting? Are you doing this on purpose? Are you purposefully trying to confuse us?

Crazybear has alerted me to his double post error.
This is something that seems to crop up at least once in every mafia game.

It is listed in the first post.
It is repeated here.
LEAVE AT LEAST 11 MINUTES BETWEEN YOUR POSTS!

This is the only warning you will get.

I think it was a perfectly valid reason to vote for you Rob. As I couldn't find any contribution from you or Nmiller that to my mind added something. As I was able to create files on all the other players it lead me to believe you were both lurking. Could just have easily voted for Nmiller.

As far as i'm concerned it's still holidays so not sure when activity will pick up. Also i'm going to be busy with work the next few days. So though it better to have a vote out there.

Zchinque has me as confused as he did in game 2. But am leaning towards him been town.

Is it just me or is Crazybear coming off aggressive for no reason?

@Crazybear Just to be clear you're saying Stuart should be lynched because he can't use the forum properly?

OK, third attempt to post.

I am not saying this at all. If someone is scummy we should lynch him regardless amount of his input. I don't see Zchinque as scummy.
If we are to choose someone almost randomly on day 1 I think it should be someone who is lurking not someone who is trying to get thing moving because main argument of people pushing him is he is scummy for his encouraging people to vote.

This wasn't my reason to vote him when I placed my vote but it is my reason now. I explained this in post no. 235. It is not firm vote right now but I tend no tot unvote until I am sure where to place my vote next.


@Crazybear; More than some sign of scumminess I see it as inability to work with quotes. Both of this.

Yes you should check, as should anyone else. I am also just as happy going with Nmillar as Robo has at least made some effort to get involved.

I have posted within the last 48 hours you realise?

And I do have to agree with Rob that calling out people for lurking during the Holiday season isn't exactly appropriate.

Its not during the holiday break, its during the enitre game. And the real issue with Robo is he found the time to post frills but nothing of substance until he was called out.

@crazybear: I really can't believe that I am being drawn in to this, but lets go.

1. I'm scummy because I'm not experienced in using forums, now there's an interesting concept. At least I use the forum.

2. Erm....... Oh yeah, I'm scummy because I voted for you.

3. I'm a liability because I've got quoting wrong a couple of times, and I'm obviously computer illiterate (nice making it personal there).

Ok. Lets look at this shall we, why, if I am trying to use my lack of experience in using quotes, did I re-post #195 in its entirety for the sake of clarity? I didn't think this was necessary for 255, especially as I have to wait 10 minutes between posts (and yes that is a subtle dig) and I do have other things to do in my life.

I just want to highlight your posting history here, to back up my conjecture that you are a lurker of the highest order (and not to mention simply vindictive and in that sense you are the liability here).

Your first 2 posts (#4, #34) contain No content that attemps to identfy any other players alignment, but that was just starting so no problem here.
I questioned what you meant in your next post (#63) and we had an exchange of views, to cut a long story short, every other post that has contained game content has been a statement of how you find me suspicious. You have not asked a question of another player or commented on another players actions or, well anything. I haven't even noticed you call another player by name. Is this how you intend to play the rest of the game, with one issue and no attempt at scum hunting? If so then you are a liability.

As I understand it you play this game by questioning, challenging and rattling cages.

Now lets look at the content of some of your recent posts, "This is now the second time I have been pointed at for not posting, so you know what it is {expletive deleted} new years, so if you want to hang me for the fact I am partying and don't have time to post, then go right ahead." Now this was posted at roughly 4am GMT 1/1/12, erm call me naive (or maybe party illiterate) but isn't this when new years parties happen, not in the preceding 5 days, during which you didn't post. Anybody else smell anything a bit "farmyard" here?

Another thing you seem to have failed to note is that my oh so vicious and uncalled for attack on you generally left pretty much the entire town feeling that you were not mafia, like I said, you are just vindictive.

Finished, almost.

I voted for rob because, I decided to go with the lurkers being of less value to the game than active players, having given me reason to review your post I now realise that you are quite a serious lurker and zero content player, a situation I don't envision changing soon sooooo......

Unvote Robeasy. Vote CrazyBear

@Vitek: I thing you have misunderstood me, I have repeatedly pointed out that Zchinque has not posted much, and what he has posted has been regarded by some as suspicious but questioning this seems to have disappeared, simply because he has posted a "move the game along" post. If I genuinely thought Zchinque was scummy (well more than I do) wouldn't I be voting for him.

Again, apologies for the lack of activity. With the GOG Secret Santa, general family Christmas stuff and the Steam achievement hunt, I have neglected both mafia games. As Rodzaju correctly stated, tomorrow is the last day of the holidays here, so normal service will resume shortly.

@JoeSapphire: my usual target is the moderator in this game, so I've been unable to continue the usual trend! ;)

Screw it, while I'm in the act of posting, I'll contribute some reads.

Crazybear and Stuart9001 both seem to over-react to everything directed against them. This could be down to being new to the game, but does seem rather scummy, so they are both at the top of my list at the moment.

Zchinque and JoeSapphire seem to be master and apprentice; Zchinque has an unusual way of playing, and JoeSapphire seems to be trying to copy this.

JoeSapphire's attempt to push a lynch during the holiday season seems a bit scummy, as does muttly13's immediate support of this.

Robbeasy doesn't seem to know what he's doing, but that's nothing new now, is it? :P

Nobody else has posted much of note, so there isn't really much to say about them.

And I think I'll vote muttly13; his, "let's lynch somebody without any real reason" attitude is the scummiest of them all.

Hello there! It was I think muttly13 and Stuart9001 - let me check - yes here it is, this exchange between the two of them just seemed to be like they were thankful for the excuse to vote one another.
Then I felt that he hung back a bit after I'd accused him. It's not very much at all but there isn't much about is there?

I JUST REALISED THAT I VOTED in my post earlier tonight and voting when you aren't up to date with where the game is actually at is like the most stupid thing anyone could do.
I'll continue reading and hope I haven't done something awful.

Stuart seems methodical and intelligent. Don't know whether he's the bad guy or not but that's all I have to say about him. Maybe I wouldn't want to lynch him if he had pressure on him.
Crazybear I think is quite genuine and I find myself trusting him but I know that that shouldn't mean anything. Again I wouldn't push for his lynch.
Looking at them together I'ld reckon that they won't both be mafia. I could be wrong but I think probably one or both of them is town.

Pushing to lynch stuart because he got the quotes wrong - that's not very cool.
Perhaps that has altered my mind slightly... it's possible they're both mafia and going at one another on purpose.
But I don't know.

-Just got to my own post and it looks like NMillar hasn't been accidentally hammered by me which is reassuring.

I'm not trying to imitate Zchinque's style. But I suppose I can't really describe what I've been doing so far I've just been writing off the top of my head really...
I can try being more methodical, study the game a bit more. Maybe make some notes, I hear people talking about making notes and it seems so professional. I'll need to spend time doing that though and that is a daunting prospect.

Eh what? Hold up now! Woah woah woah. Take it down a minute. Cool your jets. You whaaaaaaaa-??
I thought you were the man all up for "Town must lynch someone every day."? With the deadline in 5 days, it's time to push. People have dithered over deadlines before.
If I'm thinking of someone else about the lynch-philosophy then do correct me and I apologise.
Good to hear from you and know some of your suspicions. Won't retract my vote yet though.

(As I'm just about to post this Robbeasy's rep is 333 and NMillar's is 555... spooky!......)

False. I have stated very clearly why I would lynch you or Robo. Your personal dismissal of the reasons doesnt make them "no reason".

Its been a while since we heard anything from the Baron. Be interested to see where he falls on all this.

Too many "hey everyone, stop lurking and get more active" posts, not enough actual active posts.

People keep saying he's an active player and therefore shouldn't be "punished", but his posts are completely devoid of strategic discussion. He's, in my opinion, doing some very sneaky active lurking which just solidifies my decision to keep my vote, until I get a chance to mull over all the new posts since I've last posted.

Hrrm, not too sure what to ask, especially since I'm not really caught up.

Well, now that Robbeasy can't (imo) be accused of serious lurking anymore (i.e. he's posted about as much as me or you over the last few days) do you have a better read to solidify your vote for him?

As for the rest of the posts, there's some very interesting stuff in here. I'll have to try to comment and get involved later, but sleep and then a flight home first.

Normally that would be the case, yes, but to push a lynch in the Christmas season (when people have family commitments, etc.) is a little too far, even for me. Having said that, however, today is the last day of the Christmas holidays in England (tomorrow is still a bank holiday in Scotland, but I don't think we have anyone here who currently lives in Scotland), so we can now start pushing people again.

If you've stated a reason other than 'lurking' during the holiday season, then I apologise, and please do point out where as I seem to have missed it. If your only reason is for lurking, then I stick by what I have said previously; lurking over Christmas is no real reason for a lynch.

You are entirely correct Joe and I apologise unreservedly to the Mod (PM ed as well) - my only very feeble excuse is that I had been drinking, was tired, and felt unduly under the cosh from other players basically due to the panic the deadline brought about